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Hey folks! We're redoing our office and with that comes restarting a 4' 120G. My lovely wife has let me choose the stocking and I've decided to go with a "prehistoric" African theme. I'm planning to have it heavily planted with low light and floating plants (easy). I'm thinking about a group of elephant nose, group of butterflies, and possibly a bichir. For those with experience with them, is that too many fish for this tank size? How many of each would you stock? Any advice on substrate with the elephants in mind? Tank will be over-filtered (with as muted flow as possible) and get a 50-75% WC every 4-10 days. Thanks in advance for the advice.
 
If ur doing a heavily planted tank and low lights it's best to add CO2 injector as with that much water change the plants will not get enough CO2 from the fish waste alone. What species of plants you planning on placing anyway? With the african butterfly fish in there, you're only be able to add smaller species of bichirs such as senegalus, mokelebhembe and ropefish. Retropinnis, palmas polli, palmas palmas, palmas beuttikoferi and delhezi are a just a bit bigger mouth size than those 3 listed above but they a potential to grow big and know to swallow prey that you might not expect they cant fit in their mouth. You might as well add african brown knifefish. Elephant fish and baby whales can be a nice morymids addition too.
 
Hadn't thought about whales. Thanks! I need to research them. I was looking at delhezi, retro, or palmas for size concerns. Any fish big enough to be eaten will be there for that purpose.
 
So no advice on numbers? I've ruled out adding any other morymids or electrical fish. As far as plants go... I'm looking at anubias, bolbitis, and I may give up the biotope aspect and go with vals and floaters to keep the lighting subdued.
 
If ur doing a heavily planted tank and low lights it's best to add CO2 injector as with that much water change the plants will not get enough CO2 from the fish waste alone. What species of plants you planning on placing anyway? With the african butterfly fish in there, you're only be able to add smaller species of bichirs such as senegalus, mokelebhembe and ropefish. Retropinnis, palmas polli, palmas palmas, palmas beuttikoferi and delhezi are a just a bit bigger mouth size than those 3 listed above but they a potential to grow big and know to swallow prey that you might not expect they cant fit in their mouth. You might as well add african brown knifefish. Elephant fish and baby whales can be a nice morymids addition too.

This is your advice right here
 
This is your advice right here


Ok. There are several pieces of advice here which do not bear out some minor research and no numbers are mentioned. I'm looking for advice from people experienced with these fish rather than a regurgitation of half truth info found on the easiest google searches. I appreciate that post, but yours is entirely not helpful and really is quite rude IMO since it offered absolutely nothing of value.
 
Ok. There are several pieces of advice here which do not bear out some minor research and no numbers are mentioned. I'm looking for advice from people experienced with these fish rather than a regurgitation of half truth info found on the easiest google searches. I appreciate that post, but yours is entirely not helpful and really is quite rude IMO since it offered absolutely nothing of value.
I think you misinterpreted his post I think it was more along the lines of a +1 not a rude comment. As far as number I think it's really depending on the sizes of the fish when you require them if your even be able to put them together. If you get the bichir too large you could have a problem of the bichir eating the others. If you get them about the same size then I would say maybe 5 of the elephant noses and bichirs and maybe 3 butterfly's. I am not very familiar with the butterfly's so I cannot give a number with confidence same thing thing with the elephants however I have ward they do better in groups so I would try and keep at least 3. As far as the bichirs I would try and stay with UJ because the LJ will end up growing larger and most likely year apart the bottom of your planted tank as they grow. UJ will tend to flourish in a planted tank.
 
Low light plants do not require added c02! And the fish waste doesn't have co2 the fish use oxygen from the water that goes thru their gills and the bi product is co2 and with that kind of stock it will be fine.

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I think you misinterpreted his post I think it was more along the lines of a +1 not a rude comment. As far as number I think it's really depending on the sizes of the fish when you require them if your even be able to put them together. If you get the bichir too large you could have a problem of the bichir eating the others. If you get them about the same size then I would say maybe 5 of the elephant noses and bichirs and maybe 3 butterfly's. I am not very familiar with the butterfly's so I cannot give a number with confidence same thing thing with the elephants however I have ward they do better in groups so I would try and keep at least 3. As far as the bichirs I would try and stay with UJ because the LJ will end up growing larger and most likely year apart the bottom of your planted tank as they grow. UJ will tend to flourish in a planted tank.

Thanks for the post and I'd like to apologize if I did indeed misunderstand. I am fortunate to have many other tanks available if I need to grow out fish for this tank. I'm sorry.... UJ LJ? I wanted to do something unique, but I really thought there would be more information available. If anyone has any good links, I'd appreciate them. I've read everything on related topics on WWM and seriously.
 
UJ= Upper Jaw, Polpterus' retropinnis, delhezi, teugelsi, ornatapinnis, weeksii, senegalus, mokelembembe, palmas palmas, palmas buettikoferi, palmas polli. They tend to stay smaller with the exception of the teugelsi, ornatapinnis, and weeksii. LJ= Lower Jaws Polypterus' Congicus, Angsorii, lapradei, endlicheri, etc.., Tend to get larger. What do you mean by unique do you mean like a unique set-up or unique fish?
 
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