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What do you guys do when you have 5 inches of rain in one day flood your pond?
If you have good draining soil it can probably just overflow. If not you can tap an overflow line out of your skimmer near the top and run it away. If your neighbor is a pain you can dig a 50' ditch property line to property line at her request to "aid in drainage," then after your new 6' privacy fence is complete dig another 35' of 4" pipe connecting your pond to that previously installed drain pipe. The order of completion is important in that method though from what I hear:)
 
You will have a hole open in the skimmer after the plumbing is done. Use that w/a bulkhead and left over pipe and run it to a dry well. Or, I have a downspout adapter from my gutter that runs under my patio to a pop-up in the middle of my yard. That is 4" drain pipe has a wye in it that has a 2" opening on the side of the fitting. The skimmer overflow is plumbed to the wye and extra water is taken away from the pond to the gutter line and out to the lawn. Make sure the overflow is taken as far away from the pond as possible. Any water under the liner will make hydrostatic pressure and can cause the liner to lift.
 
I may use the skimmer opening and plumb something down to next to my garden...

Sorry for no updates, but a week and a half of hard rain doesn't do much good for a pond (or a yard). And then the last 2 days I've worked 13 hour shifts, so no working at night either. I'm hoping that it will stay dry for this weekend, so I can get the bog dug, lined, and plumbed. If so, I will go ahead and get the pond running, and worry about expanding the side like I'd talked about till later (maybe not till spring if I can't get to it soon).

What will I need to do to winterize my pond?

Should I go ahead and get some plants for the bog, or should I hold off until spring?

How long do I need to wait before I add my gars, bluegill and catfish to the pond?

How should I acclimate the fish, since the tanks they're in are around 80F, and the pond feels like about 55-60F right now?
 
itsbadlands;3496252; said:
keep going man!Who needs grass anyway?It's way over rated...........keep digging!!!!

:D

I just want to get the dang thing running already. And the wet weather is about to set in for good here, so I need it done asap or it won't get done til spring, between wet weather and frozen ground :(.
 
Better get it done. My pond is next!
 
I would hold off on putting in the gars and cats in. If they can be housed over winter I would keep them inside. The BB in the system won't have enough time to colonize to keep up with the waste the will produce. The bluegills, unless your favorites, could be used as canaries. Or better yet, use a couple dozen feeders, QT'd of course. The water temps. are the limiting factor for getting the BB to really colonize. Below 60 degrees (water temps.) many forms of BB and enzymes will die. There are cold water BB that can be purchased in liquid form, but just besure to check expiration dates on the bottle. They remain effective to 50 degrees and a little below.

I would def. get the system running so if an edge is low, or the falls and bog need to be tweaked, all the kinks can be worked out this season and get it ready to rip next spring. As for winterizing, if no fish are present, and organic solids are not an issue (leaf litter and dead plants)I would just drain the bog. If you do stock it with fish, just keep a hole in the ice. Either a small pump placed a few inches below the surface or cow trough heater.

I would get the bog and pond planted. That way, as soon as temps. are rising in spring, they will be ready for service. Any plants you buy now will also come with BB attached to the roots and potting mix adding to the system. Most garden centers will most likely have good deals on aquatics that they won't want to overwinter. Also look into local Koi/pond clubs for people looking to thin and divide plants. Again, different strains of BB that will start to go to work in your pond.
 
Muske;3497502; said:
I would hold off on putting in the gars and cats in. If they can be housed over winter I would keep them inside.

Or better yet, use a couple dozen feeders, QT'd of course. As for winterizing, if no fish are present, and organic solids are not an issue (leaf litter and dead plants)I would just drain the bog. If you do stock it with fish, just keep a hole in the ice. Either a small pump placed a few inches below the surface or cow trough heater.

I would get the bog and pond planted. That way, as soon as temps. are rising in spring, they will be ready for service.

I've got about a dozen feeder comets and a dozen platies in there now :). The water temps feel like they're about 60F, but I need to actually measure it to be sure. Its been a real cool fall week here, and the temps are supposed to stay in the 60's through the end of next week.

I think I should be able to overwinter the gars and catfish in the tank in the house. I may have to lower the temp in the tank and start feeding less often to slow down growth. I am looking at a 250g acrylic tank (72Lx30Wx24T), and if I get that, they can stay in the house for a good long time, not just the winter.

I'll go ahead and start looking for some plants for the bog. I've got some giant baby tears that I cut out of my planted South American tank floating out there, but I figure it'll probably die off once it gets cold enough.

What are some good starters that will last through the winter? Any of the same plants you guys listed for me before?
 
Go get a thermometer asap. It is one tool I use all the time. Mine is attached to a piece of string and sits in the skimmer year round out of sight.

Any marginal natives can go in the bog and shallow shelves.
Arrowheads, Pickerel Weed, Marsh Marigold, Cat and Horsetail(w/caution), Lizard's Tail, Hair grass, Iris, Sweet Flag, any of the Rushes and Reeds, Cardinal flowers in Blue and Red, and many sedges to choose from. Most of these can be "found" in roadside ditches and retention ponds, or purchased from nurseries and garden centers. I would wash the soil from the roots and quick dip them in a mild bleach solution if collecting from the wild.

Good choices for the bog because of hardy growth.
These plants should be used with caution because of rapid, spreading growth that could cause problems in the main pond. Nothing serious, but they will run. Contained in a bog, they will grow and spread nicely. Water Mint, again the Horsetail and Cattails because they have sharp running roots, Umbrella Plant, and although Tropical, the Papyrus' make great bog plants since they have great growth rates. They can be easily over wintered indoors. Of these, I would do the umbrella plant. I have it in my shallow bog shelve and it rocks. It gets tall (3-4') but not overwhelming. The water flow goes through a big, thick mass of roots that also helps the snails and frogs overwinter in. I started out with a small 1 gal. pot that had maybe 5-6 shoots. It is now a good 2'x2' and looks awesome. It will get much bigger but I cut about 30% of it out each spring to keep it in bounds. It grows over the shelf and starts to sag along the outside of it since it has no support below it. I have to use a small, folding, camping saw to cut it free from the main plant since the roots are so thick and fiberious. This year I have thinned it twice during the growing season. In a bog, I would just let it go.

Three great plants that will spread along the edges and into the water.
Creeping Jenny, Forget-me-not, and Hair Grass. I have them all and they are great space fillers and soften the edges nicely. I have pics. if you would like. The Forget-me-nots bloom w/tiny blue flowers and look awesome. It also will remain green below the waterline in the winter. In spring, it starts growing early and provides a spawn site for the goldies.
 
Yah, I keep meaning to pick up a thermometer when I'm at the pet shop, but I keep forgetting. I'll try to get one tomorrow.

I'll definitely keep those plants in mind. I'm resolved to get the bog dug, lined, plumbed, and water running through it even if I have to work in the rain. It's supposed to be really nice (60's and partly cloudy) all weekend, so here's hoping the weather finally cooperates.

If I get the bog done (including gravel) then I'll try to start planting during the week. I may not get the gravel done until next weekend though. I'll start planting then if I can.


So if I get the bog running, with some plants in it, you recommend shutting it down before freezing temps get here? Just disconnect the plumbing from it, but leave the pump running and have it pump back into the pond? Or do I turn the pump off and bring it in the house so it doesn't freeze? Do I drain the bog if I shut it down?
 
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