First time ordering egg carton/fillers for roaches

[Kioka]

This was gunna be my first question!

Have you looked into how it could be carrots kioka?

Maybe ur herps have diabeetis or something. I doubt they are catching it from eating roaches who are eating carrots. That's kind of a stretch.

Davo got it on the head... ever heard of gutloading? Although I do not think it is diabetes since a few species displayed this regardless of their genetic relatedness. Whatever you feed your feeders; your feeders end up carrying the content of that consumed item. I suspect some species' pancreas are not designed for high glucose intake. So, it would be foolish to call it diabetes if the pancreas process differently in animals. Cats cannot have too much plant materials without getting sick, do we say that they are allergic? No, we just say that their body relies on high protein and are hypercarnivores (unlike dogs that CAN process some plant matters.)

I know you are thinking, "there is no way that there is enough glucose or sugar molecules to be an insect to cause health issues." Now for insectivores, this could be a sensitive matter in relation to their body mass, adaptation to prey's (which feed on local vegetation) nutritional "gutloaded" content et cetera. If they have diabetes, we would observe symptoms throughout their lives on more than one occasion repeatedly in short time frame.

Now think about this on a larger scale, how much of bad husbandry is chalked up to not understanding the content of the gutload for people's feeders? You have to remember, in the hobby, we are working with multiple species and we are lucky that they are able to put up with what we put them through.

I already observed gangrene in all of my Mabuya multifasciata and M. quinquetaeniata (total of 8 UNRELATED lizards.) It had happened to a few of my friend's obscure gecko species; which I have no intention of memorizing their taxonomic names. As a colleague' professor once said "maybe the species have **** pancreas" regarding the matter of two (that I obtained separate from the observed specimen) M. multifasciata a few years back. A lot of the stuff that I observed with my specimen this year coincide with my colleague's observations a few years prior. If you noticed your lizards losing their digits opposite of evolutionary limb loss.... it might be gangrene and one should consider what they are gutloading. Otherwise if they were losing their digits according to evolutionary limb loss, then check your husbandry, reptile's health et cetera. Before jumping to conclusion, how can we say that species as a whole are diabetic when they have been living for thousands of years without encountering gangrene in the wild. It is only when we take these species into captivity, and feed their insects with foreign matters that these observations can occur.

If anyone know the glucose percentage in the average supermarket carrots, I would be interested.

Illustration of limb loss in progress using Lerista complex:

Front limbs

Hind limbs

Hope this is helpful...

 

[Kioka]

I may add on... because of the incident I ran in with carrots, I opt out of choosing high sugar vegetables such as potatoes and corn.

Unfortunately... the trend in the consumer market lately is high sugar food. Vegetables are now being selected to taste sweeter. And the health addicts that are turning down junk food and processed food may be in the same boat as the mainstream are someday. Not that I care about my own health, but I do care about the health of my animals!

 

[davo]

carrots have somewhere around 5g of sugars for every 100g. No idea how that compares to dog biscuits or anything else you feed your roaches.