Fish Behavior - Do fish care?

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Interesting behavior is probably my most desired quality when im picking fish. Boring fish just dont get into my tanks anymore. Ive recently veered away from aggressive/predatory fish in favor of community fish types. Im trying to focus on groups of just one or a few species at a time, with the hopes that any communal fish behavior is only amplified by greater numbers.
 
I think it's near impossible to pin down exactly what a fish experiences, what it's "thinking," and, just as in mammals, it varies with different species. So I prefer to leave it a bit fuzzy and say things like "whatever that means for a fish." I do think perceptive observation (and some of the science) indicates many fish, and many animals for that matter, have a sort of built in or natural "intelligence" particular to their niche in nature and, like a lot of things in science, including the so called "hard sciences," it's open to interpretation and personal biases (you should see some of the debates high level scientists, including Noble prize winners, get into over physics, for example). Of course, much of it's instinctual, some human behavior is also instinctual, but I think some have the misperception that instinct means inflexible, and precludes them recognizing, for example, a degree of problem solving, social negotiation, or other flexible, adaptable, and individual behavior among some of them. But I also think that whatever level of consciousness fish may or may not have (consciousness itself is another subject debated by scientists), it should be recognized as 'alien' to human experience and shouldn't be anthropomorphized, nor attempts made to put it on the same level as human emotion, thought, or consciousness. We should recognize the near impossibility of entering into the 'mind' of another animal and imagining we know what it is it experiences-- how well do we even understand the experience of another human with whom we can converse, but who thinks differently than we do?

Another mistake, I think, is to draw conclusions from overly simplified environments, like bare tanks. It can be surprising in some instances how much a fish's behavior can change, and sometimes transform, by getting closer to approximating it's preferred natural habitat.

...To me I don't have it all figured out, there's a lot more science and observation to be done, and there's room for different viewpoints, though I don't accept one extreme or the other or agenda driven conclusions.
 
This topic always worries me really. Part of me hopes that all our fish are completely incapable of any thought process and totally devoid of emotion and feeling. That would then alleviate any guilt that us hobbyists have regarding confining a potentially clever animal in a small box for their entire lives. After all, if the fish haven't a clue what's going on then all's good, right?

Unfortunately I don't personally think this is the case at all. I think there's more going on that we think, maybe not with all fish, but certainly some.

Then that would lead to a rather uncomfortable question for us hobbyists who want to do the best for our fish......should we keep fish at all!?!?
 
When I watch shoaling/schooling species like tetras, or sardines, I detect few sensate skills other than group escape mentality.
But when I witness some of the sentient reactions from the more advanced species like cichlids have to certain abstract stimuli, and realize they are only a few genes separation from we complicated humans, I have to question certain notions of our egotistic superiority.

And yes, confining them to glass box puddles does seemat times to be cruel and unusual punishment just for being beautiful.

The first time I spent time in nature swimming with, and observing Rocio (JDs) I considered giving up the hobby.
But being the entitled human I am, common sense over road such humane sensibilities.
 
Dang, this is a terrific thread! I wish there were more like it on MFK.


... confining them to glass box puddles does seem at times to be cruel and unusual punishment just for being beautiful...The first time I spent time in nature swimming with, and observing Rocio (JDs) I considered giving up the hobby...But being the entitled human I am, common sense over road such humane sensibilities.

... that would lead to a rather uncomfortable question for us hobbyists who want to do the best for our fish......should we keep fish at all!?!?

This ^ is a very real thing. Introspection and self-examination of our own motives and "feelings" pretty much has to lead to ideas like this one, and it can get uncomfortable. I'm not sure if it gets easier or harder when we factor in the uncertainty regarding not only the potential intelligence of fish...but also the question of what intelligence or awareness actually is.

If I look at a tank that I consider, IMHO, to be overstocked...regardless of some silly mathematical formulae off of AquAdvisor babbling on that it's really only stocked to 86% capacity and can easily have a few more fish jammed into it...I'm not thinking that the fish are "suffering" per se, or that they are "aware" of their plight. I am, however, acutely conscious of the fact that the condition of my fishtanks is a statement...being made directly to me...about myself.
 
When I watch my wife turn on the fire and then leave all the doors open, or leave all the upstairs lights on when she’s down stairs. I look at my lovely wife and then I look at my fish and I wonder who has the most sense.

She is acting entirely instinctively...an innate ability and compulsion to drive her husband bonkers...I am sadly familiar with this phenomenon...:)
 
When I watch my wife turn on the fire and then leave all the doors open, or leave all the upstairs lights on when she’s down stairs. I look at my lovely wife and then I look at my fish and I wonder who has the most sense.

You can add the kids to that too, at least in our house you can, lol.
 
You can add the kids to that too, at least in our house you can, lol.

Lol, thank goodness ours are now completely free-swimming and able to find their own food...:)
 
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