Fish cycle with daily water changes.

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If I set up a tank, put in fish, and do 20-25 percent water changes daily will the fish be okay? Filtration is Fx5 w/ lots of media and emperor 400.

Fish are oscar pacu and a florida gar for now but if its okay I'll be adding an rtc arowana and maybe 1-2 others.
 
They might, hard to tell. I personally would not risk it, I would just cycle the tank normally, it only takes 3-4 weeks, and if you have any bio-media from an established tnak that will cycle it much, much quicker.
 
The tanks a growout 180 I will be picking up all said equipment and tank + stand tomorrow... But will my fish be okay with the water changes thats all I needa know(:

What? The nitrogen cycle is imperative to comprehend to be a fish keeper. People occasional still cycle tanks with live fish, but they are almost always rediculusly cheap fish like white cloud minnows where the fishkeeper FULLY EXPECTS TO LOSE these fish, and is just an added "gift" if any of them happen by chance to survive.

You do NOT understand the cycle. Simply put, one type of bacteria consumes ammonia (Fish Waste that is extremely lethal to the fish, and is like you living in your own urine if you can imagine!) and convert that lethal compound into Nitrites. Unfortunatly Nitrites are also lethal to fish. A second (different) bacteria then consumes the Nitrites and converts them to far less dangerous Nitrates. It is only when a large buildup of Nitrates occurs that the fish are in serious danger. This is the PURPOSE of doing water changes. Simple.

1. You have ZERO ammonia and ZERO of EITHER type of benneficial bacteria when you fill your tank and add the fish. No cycle can possibly happen!
2. As your fish eat and expel waste they will begin to produce the ammonia that you require to BEGIN building your first bacteria colony. Small enough quantities of ammonia NOT enough to damage your fish is NOT enough to build the bacteria required for a cycled fishtank! The main point of fishless cycling is that we achieve this extremely high level of ammonia (that no fish can live in) in a matter of seconds by adding bottled ammonia.
3. Nitrites follow the same rule as ammonia. You have no chance of building a strong enough bacteria colony to cycle your tank until you achieve a high enough level of Nitrites to kill your fish!
4. The daily water change will work even better than perfect tank cycling, so have at it. What you need to keep in mind that you have locked yourself into donig this daily water change for the rest of your hobby life. Bet you burn out quick and go to allowing the nitrogen cycle to take the place of your daily addiction to water changes!
 
They might, hard to tell. I personally would not risk it, I would just cycle the tank normally, it only takes 3-4 weeks, and if you have any bio-media from an established tank that will cycle it much, much quicker.

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They might, hard to tell. I personally would not risk it, I would just cycle the tank normally, it only takes 3-4 weeks, and if you have any bio-media from an established tnak that will cycle it much, much quicker.

Oscars are extremely hardy fish, very hard to tell. I know little about pacu so I'll agree with you there just out of curteousy! As for the Gar, not at all hard to tell!!!

Gar are extremely sensative to ammonia and the ABSOLUTE best the OP could hope for in this case is a gar that does not take out the Oscar and Pacu as it is stressed from dieing of ammonia poisoning. Don't even fart about that Gar can breath air. If the PROBLEM with the Ops water was insufficient disolved Oxygen, that the Gar would be OK by breathing air. It's primative lung does not give it the ability to survive poison in the water!
 
What? The nitrogen cycle is imperative to comprehend to be a fish keeper. People occasional still cycle tanks with live fish, but they are almost always rediculusly cheap fish like white cloud minnows where the fishkeeper FULLY EXPECTS TO LOSE these fish, and is just an added "gift" if any of them happen by chance to survive.

You do NOT understand the cycle. Simply put, one type of bacteria consumes ammonia (Fish Waste that is extremely lethal to the fish, and is like you living in your own urine if you can imagine!) and convert that lethal compound into Nitrites. Unfortunatly Nitrites are also lethal to fish. A second (different) bacteria then consumes the Nitrites and converts them to far less dangerous Nitrates. It is only when a large buildup of Nitrates occurs that the fish are in serious danger. This is the PURPOSE of doing water changes. Simple.

1. You have ZERO ammonia and ZERO of EITHER type of benneficial bacteria when you fill your tank and add the fish. No cycle can possibly happen!
2. As your fish eat and expel waste they will begin to produce the ammonia that you require to BEGIN building your first bacteria colony. Small enough quantities of ammonia NOT enough to damage your fish is NOT enough to build the bacteria required for a cycled fishtank! The main point of fishless cycling is that we achieve this extremely high level of ammonia (that no fish can live in) in a matter of seconds by adding bottled ammonia.
3. Nitrites follow the same rule as ammonia. You have no chance of building a strong enough bacteria colony to cycle your tank until you achieve a high enough level of Nitrites to kill your fish!
4. The daily water change will work even better than perfect tank cycling, so have at it. What you need to keep in mind that you have locked yourself into donig this daily water change for the rest of your hobby life. Bet you burn out quick and go to allowing the nitrogen cycle to take the place of your daily addiction to water changes!

Great info dude. Now I know why I lurk these posts...
 
With those kinds of fish in a setup that is ultimately too small for them in the long run, i definitely wouldn't do it.

However, since you already have these fish, it should be safe to assume you also have filtration running for their current, cycled tank. If you add all of this current filtration along with any new equipment for the larger tank when you move the fish over, you should be in better shape. This may not completely eliminate the cycle, but it should greatly reduce it. You will still need to have a test kit to keep an eye on ammonia and nitrite levels and be prepared to do daily waterchanges (possibly larger than 20-25%) to keep any levels down should they occur, but it may work out.

The stocking itself however is a separate problem. The oscar is fine in a 180 for life, but it is a bit on the small side for a Florida gar (not the greatest tankmate for an oscar either), but it will definitely be far too small for a pacu, aro, or RTC. What are your future (as in within the next 6 months) plans for these fish? If you don't have plans for a VERY large upgrade, I would rehome the pacu and not even consider getting the RTC
 
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