NLS uses whole fish meals, not scraps from the food industry. The wheat flour in NLS is there as a binder, otherwise it would just be dust. This also doesn't put any consideration on all the other ingredients. There is a whole lot more to any fish food than the first three ingredients. Feeding a food with fat over 5% long term will cause diseases that will cause death. Almost all of those foods had fat way over that.
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Let me specify, it will cause it when fed long term and you do a necropsy, if you don't have the fish necropsied then I guess that isn't what happened.
Feeding too much fat will cause problems long term. Fat deposits that develop all through the problem will eventually lead to poor health and death.
Long term is what we are really concerned with. We all know that all the high quality foods available these days will produce at least good enough health short term (growth, color, etc.). What they will not produce is the ability for the fish to truly thrive and reach its full potential. Since effectively none of of the fish that die in this hobby are necropsied there is no way of really knowing what they die of, but one thing that is for sure is that it is not old age.
But what the heck do I know, I am just a Biologist and Vet Tech.
Feeding too much fat will cause problems long term. Fat deposits that develop all through the problem will eventually lead to poor health and death.
Long term is what we are really concerned with. We all know that all the high quality foods available these days will produce at least good enough health short term (growth, color, etc.). What they will not produce is the ability for the fish to truly thrive and reach its full potential. Since effectively none of of the fish that die in this hobby are necropsied there is no way of really knowing what they die of, but one thing that is for sure is that it is not old age.
But what the heck do I know, I am just a Biologist and Vet Tech.
reptileguy2727;5112152; said:
You stated that anything over 5% would cause death eventually. Do you have links to prove that 6 or 7% is lethal? And why is 5% not?
I threw the might in there so that 90% of this forums users will not think they are killing theire fish, without having any actual proof provided before jumping to coclusions.
Ps. To my knowledge there are different kinds of fat. Some are healthier than others, and fish like most other beings on this earth NEEDS fat, but preferably the correct form.
Simply stating fat in general will be lethal, without taking any of this into consideration, does not sound like something that should be simply thrown out there, by a "professional", into an already vast and confusing discussion.
Are you sure they aren't? Do you really think that excessive fat levels are not slowly killing our fish? Keeping the fat levels lower surely isn't going to kill them, having high levels is probably doing exactly that (even if there aren't a bunch of scientific research articles proving this beyond your doubt, what with all the scienific research done on aquarium fish).
reptileguy2727;5112242; said:
I haven't said the fish are dying or not dying from this. You have. I asked you a question about your statement. (seems fair)
But then how, without proper documentation and study, do you know what levels are appropriate? And what the % is then by the many different types of fat? Cause surely the % would differ from different fats, as to what is causing disease and death.
typically the first ingredient is the most in the food then down the line. So some foods put what I say a lot of fillers before they put in the good stuff then I consider it of no good value to feed most fishes.
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Somethingfishyinc.net;5112300; said:
Typically, you are correct. But in the fish food industry this line of thinking doesn't give the whole picture. 100 pounds of fish, whether it's 8 kinds of fish or two kinds of fish, is still 100 pounds of fish. You also have to take wet VS dry weight of the fish into account--a lot of that weight is water when wet, and obviously everything is dry when you make it in to dry food.
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HrHagel;5112123; said:
I'm confused with what you did here by copying my post word for word. Are you agreeing with what I said or did you make a mistake with your post?
reptileguy2727;5112126; said:
Although I agree with your general notion that most fish foods have too much fat in them and this can definitely lead to health issues, I'm just going to point out that NLS Thera has 7% fat MINIMUM listed. It's too broad of a statement to say anything over 5% fat is bad for every fish in every situation. Obviously even NLS realizes that.
