Fish ID?

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ok, so u found a pic of a green sunfish that you dont think looks like the fish in question, but can you find any reason why it might be a bluegill other than your opinion?
 
Chelydra Serpentina;2666841; said:
ok, so u found a pic of a green sunfish that you dont think looks like the fish in question, but can you find any reason why it might be a bluegill other than your opinion?
its not a bluegill its a hybrid, green body shape with bluegill colors
 
ShadowBass;2666793; said:
The one I posted had just barely gotten the dot. When they're under a certain size it's not very noticable or may not even be there.

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MultispeciesTamer, Are you trying to argue just because, or because you actually want to learn something?

Yes, the fish in the picture has a dot on the dorsal fin, which can be characteristic of a green sunfish, however you can't use that alone (or the blue on the face) to make a definitive I.D.

You said:


I just posted a picture of a green sunfish that has vertical stripes with no blue. Green sunfish often have solid vertical stripes, especially the males (IME).

Your book said:


The green sunfish can also have a black blotch (in fact that's what you're fixated on now), but you're book says no other fish has this. Like the others said, get a new book.
Get away from identifying fish strictly based on pattern and color. You've probably been misidentifying fish for a long time and had no clue, and if you won't take anyone's advice you'll continue to do so.
and the green pic you posted does have blue, or a least it does as far as i can see from that small pic
 
teleost;2666835; said:
I'm not sure I would say it covers the midwest well but he does great job when it comes to deciphering big river silvery things (among other silvery things). Aside from my fascination of all nondescript silvery minnows, he's able to cover fishes from a great range of species (keep in mind he has the Missouri, Mississippi and Ohio Rivers all right there). I recall paying about 15$ to my door per book so I think this book is a bargain at this price. I think it's a great book for people just getting into identification since he developed a very simple couplet drawing set to walk you through the ID process. By osmosis some of that stuff is bound to stick:)

Cool, thanks. I'm going to try to get that one; nondescript silvery things give me the fits (along with darters; just too blasted many of them).

MST- the fish whose picture you posted is about twice the size of the OP's fish; it looks different because of its ontogenetic position, not its size. There is also nothing in the OP's fish's pattern that says 'bluegill' to me, besides generic sunfish characters like vertical bars.
 
u can not make an ID based on colors. the only thing u keep coming back with is little color variations. and that doesnt matter. these little fish could be almost white, or almost black...and a wide variety of colors in between depending on their surroundings and stress level. that has been illustrated to you over and over and you refuse to just listen....or to present some other evidence to your claim that it is a hybrid. you made a mistake....
 
MultispeciesTamer;2666846; said:
its not a bluegill its a hybrid, green body shape with bluegill colors

Hybrids do exist but usually by the hand of man. I know that Ohio promoted(s) the use of "greengills" but honestly they don't look anything like the fish in question. They have the general shape of a bluegill (but pudgy) and coloration just about like a green sunfish. In short, they have the color of a green but the shape of a bluegill.

If you doubt this, go back to the same spot and photo more of this fish. I'm willing to bet all of them are the same.
 
is it a jackal, its a jackal.... jackal itsa a jackal!

jk i had to throw that in but idk its definatly no pumpkinseed.
it has the gig mouth of a green but lacks the orange spot on its gill plate but it might just not be developed yet

but the pic in question has pink cheeks like a juvie bluegill....hmmmm
heres a kinda washed out juvie bluegill
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the fish in question apears to be aboout 2-3 inchs the fish i posted is around 3 inchs. now also the fish in queston dosnt look like a g1/f1 hybrid may be its a g2/f2 with one parent a hybrid green gil and the other parent a green
 
Or maybe it's just a green sunfish that looks exactly like dozens of green sunfish that I have seen, and probably hundreds that Teleost and others have seen. Just give up on your hybrid theory; the fish is a perfectly ordinary green sunfish.
 
Noto;2667027; said:
Or maybe it's just a green sunfish that looks exactly like dozens of green sunfish that I have seen, and probably hundreds that Teleost and others have seen. Just give up on your hybrid theory; the fish is a perfectly ordinary green sunfish.
BS ive have seen greens under an inch they dont have pale pink on there gill plate
 
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