Thread was posted to see what everyone thought. if its possible.
sundew, no one is releasing anything!!
and who would want to banned tigers!!NOT ME
sundew, no one is releasing anything!!
and who would want to banned tigers!!NOT ME
Florida and tigers
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TCZeli;1406610; said:"It almost makes no since anymore to ban any fish that does not present a direct health hazard to humans and unless it it likely to migrate outside of S.FL."
"South Florida will NEVER again be like it was 200 years ago, anyone who says it can is deluding themselves."
So you have the "It's already ruined so who cares if it gets worse" mentality?
So I guess we should just release as many tropical fish species we can in Florida and wipe out all the natives species once an for all?
Umm I think you are taking what he is saying out of context.BEsides 95%+ of Florida is too cool for nearly all tropical fish. I think he is merely pointing out that in that small percentage of extreme South Florida exotics have already taken over the native population and any new ones will have little to no effect.
TCZeli;1406610; said:"It almost makes no since anymore to ban any fish that does not present a direct health hazard to humans and unless it it likely to migrate outside of S.FL."
"South Florida will NEVER again be like it was 200 years ago, anyone who says it can is deluding themselves."
So you have the "It's already ruined so who cares if it gets worse" mentality?
So I guess we should just release as many tropical fish species we can in Florida and wipe out all the natives species once an for all?
Not really, its just that the native species have already been effectively wiped out, and not just from thoughtless hobbiest. The goverment has introduced species for game fishing as well as well as altering the environment. The point was that we have screwed up the S. FL. environment so badly that it is really irrelevent if we now add datnoids to the mix. BUT, I am NOT suggesting someone do that! Anyway it seems likely that dats have been raised in fish farms outdoors in S. FL before, since so many species have been.
South Florida used to have one of the most unique ecosystems on earth. But it has been under attack for over a century. The ecosystem used to work by very pure rainwater flowing across the shallow grasslands of the Everglades, through the mangrove forest and into the Gulf of Mexico. The Army Corps of Engineers diverted much of that water for Miami. Salt water intrusion and agricultural fertilizers have altered much of the plant life. Some of the areas that would floor regularly now are dry much of the year.
Some geniuses last century thought that it would be good to dry up the Everglades for farming and for timber so the spread Melaleuca quinquenervia seed (by air I think), a fast growing Austrailia tree that loves to grow in water. They thought it would be a good timber tree, it was not. It now forms mono-species forests in patches everywhere. It survives drought, flooding, fire and cold, it is unlikely it will every go away.
There used to be fish farms in the Everglades. I was told by residents that at some point the State siezed the land of the fish farmers by eminent domaine and in spite the owner dynamited the barriers to the ponds letting all the fish go into the environment. If true, who knows what is loose now?
The EGs used to be the largest bird habitat in the south if not the U.S. Now it is a shadow of its former self.
Again, I certainly don't think people should release fish into the environment. I am curious about this thread however. Is this the first attempt to have a reason to ban Datnoids in the state? Our state has a "funny" way of banning/allowing living things. Take the silver arowana, its legal status has change back and forth, all because the biologist think it can't survive in south Florida but all the other Arowana species can.
Here's the thing. I have a friends who lives in Miami, they often hear politicians saying how they are going to restore the Everglades to it natural state. They tell me when they hear this it makes them laugh and these are adults with degrees in science. Neither the average person nor the politician seems to have a clue how badly the environment had changed or the money that will likely be wasted trying to fix a largely unfixable problem. Because unless you want to divert the water from Miami back to the Glades, remove all farming so there will be no chemical pesticides and fertilizers, and somehow remove all the major invasive plant and animal species (I don't think we have got controll of even one yet), then it's a pipe dream.
Again, keep the fish in your tanks, don't give the government another reason to regulate our lives. I just think it is irrelevent to ban fish species in our state IF the reason is to protect the environment of S FL, which is why I suggested regulation of things dangerous to human health. It is already too late to worry about changing the environment.
TCZeli, that's foolish...we should release even bigger exotics to eat them! Buahahahaha!
Seriously though, I'm just waiting for Wels cats to become established in North America...
Seriously though, I'm just waiting for Wels cats to become established in North America...
JD7.62;1406770; said:
That's what I was trying to get across.
The addition of another fish species is going to have little effect when we have already changed the hydrology, salinity, nutrient input, flora, fauna & removed most of the native species.On the plus side, I see now where pythons will require a permit and microchipping in FL now. Animals that can eat your cat, dog or even your child should be regulated.
proaquatics510;1406642; said:
Hey, didn't think anyone was releasing fish, just worried this was a "fishing" expedition to see if datnoids should be regulated. Living things are always just below the government's radar screen, a few years ago there was a proposed list of plants that were to be banned from Florida nurseries, some of which made no sense, like Bauhinia x 'Hong Kong Orchid Tree', a sterile non-suckering hybrid flowering tree (i.e. if you plant one you will only ever have one unless you root cuttings). I don't know if this regulation was ever passed or not.
Datnoids are cool fish, great looks and personality. I like the sad little beady eyes.
