florida pbass info

[Cichlidgeek]

first of all...I did not add anything...not sure what your talking about.as for the pics, just go through the pic thread you'll find severel more dinstiguishable ones...you should be able to pick them out with no problem. Again....I was not trying to be a smartass or question your expertise....just transfering what I was told and still believe...as photos and people who are there...I will believe over paper any day of the week. again sorry for the rant.

No Sir, I never thought you were questioning my expertise. I am just adding my 2 cents that's all. If you believe that Florida Cichla are all ocellaris then so be it but I know that you know better. You see the variations....those are real. Some are more ocellaris while others are more monoculus. Heck, some have intermedia genes built in them, too....imagine that...ahhhhhh....my beloved intermedia here in the USA!!!??? I am dreaming, sorry

 

[DIESELMACK]

Well finish that freakin book that I have been waiting years now for and get it all in line dammitt I am tired of all the confusion...LOL

ps...still gonna send you some special pics

 

[Cichlidgeek]

Well finish that freakin book that I have been waiting years now for and get it all in line dammitt I am tired of all the confusion...LOL

ps...still gonna send you some special pics

Yes, my Cichla book will be the death of me. I will send you some copies, don't worry.

You have to understand the frustration that I have when I work very hard to publish articles passing along the right information on Cichla and someone like Larry Larsen and Paul Shafland talk about 1980's taxonomy as if it is still correct. Far from it. As a matter of fact, that long-awaited paper on Cichla's revision is in press. I got the notification from Kullander the other day. If he didn't describe the 3 species that I can then I will and there will be some 15 species of Cichla then. Pretty cool right? Do you know how much information it takes to do such a thing??? PILES!!!!

Kullander's paper will dispell a lot of this problematic stuff and if I am fortunate then I will mop up the rest

 

[DIESELMACK]

Yes, my Cichla book will be the death of me. I will send you some copies, don't worry.

You have to understand the frustration that I have when I work very hard to publish articles passing along the right information on Cichla and someone like Larry Larsen and Paul Shafland talk about 1980's taxonomy as if it is still correct. Far from it. As a matter of fact, that long-awaited paper on Cichla's revision is in press. I got the notification from Kullander the other day. If he didn't describe the 3 species that I can then I will and there will be some 15 species of Cichla then. Pretty cool right? Do you know how much information it takes to do such a thing??? PILES!!!!

Kullander's paper will dispell a lot of this problematic stuff and if I am fortunate then I will mop up the rest

I do understand,but what you must understand is to all of us(simple hobbiests)...the information you know is not available...the only information IS the old and first hand word(with some digging)...the fact is although the new info and facts that are available are not that simple and most of us are not experts in the field with scientific data sheets...so untill there is something out there all the information anyone sees in hard print or by others even diggging a bit on the net is "old" info. I dont think it is the greatest thing to jump all over somebody or flame people trying to learn or expand the info or get people digging for not knowing information that is scientific and still not published or easily accessable to the average hobbiest or person interested.....this is why I say I believe pics and info over data and scientific sheets....its not a matter of disbelief or questioning the validity of your statements...rather there is nothing to back up or to actually refer to that says this is this and thats that...plain and simple...I am not a scientist or a expert studying cichla nor is most other keepers...untill the "new" info is out all you will see is the "in print" old info.......I think it is better to expand new keepers knowledge of the fish beyond "is it a mono or an ocellaris?" into looking for other things on the net and information that will make them a educated keeper....even if it is out of date or not to expert liking-it gets people in the understanding of the diversity and interesting history of cichla. You and I know each other pretty well,but anyone reading this thread doesnt know that and will take it as bickering...LOL and then be lost with the info at hand. I know the work and time involved with the book....thats why you need to stop playing with the HK's and get to gettin...otherwise you will have to waste your time arguing with me on the net

 

[JuanTamad]

Very interesting discussion guys!

My question is, where can I find the Temensis in Florida? The original posts indicates that they are here somewhere, but not in great numbers yet, but here nonetheless.

I love the hybrids I've been collecting. Now I understand why they look different from monoculus and ocellaris pics i've seen. My 2 cents say they look better. The ones I have anyway.

 

[DIESELMACK]

Very interesting discussion guys!

My question is, where can I find the Temensis in Florida? The original posts indicates that they are here somewhere, but not in great numbers yet, but here nonetheless.

I love the hybrids I've been collecting. Now I understand why they look different from monoculus and ocellaris pics i've seen. My 2 cents say they look better. The ones I have anyway.

there are no temensis in florida. They were released way back in the early 80's when the initial stock of cichla were released,but none survived and they were still too small to spawn and take a hold in the population......supposedly from talking to people involved I was told that fishermen would take the temensis from the canals and take them to F&G to report a "new species" found or just to show friends (ultimately removing=dead fish)...also the stock they released were smaller teeners and not yet big enough to breed...this was not known back then and many figured they would breed like the butterflys(commonly called by locals).....anyway, after 4 years there were no temensis recorded or found by F&G while sampling or by fishermen and they were never restocked due to the sucess of the ocellarisX(for brian).
................so the only tems you will find are on importers price sheets.

 

[Cichlidgeek]

DM,
I appreciate your efforts to help others and your desire to learn about all things Cichla. There are, however, many new publications regarding Cichla. I have published 4 myself and a few friends have published some more. A little research in the right areas will turn them up immediately.

Matt,
There is one small lake in central southern Florida that contains a breeding population of Cichla temensis. BUT, it's on private property and the owner will shoot you if you go there, or so I am told. The fish were sent to him from an exporter in Brazil and they are of the Rio Negro race if my memory serves me right. Also, I belive that he has many that are over 30 inches. Unfortunately he does not keep fishes in aquaria nor does he collect fishes...he is a simple fisherman and would rather throw them back and catch them again. That is all I can say about his place.

Cheers,
--Brian

 

[USMCtanker]

wow lots of info thanks

 

[JuanTamad]

Many Thanks DM and Brian.

I've heard of some LFS in Tampa selling Temensis. Probably worth the trip for me.

I'm prone to shooting back with cannons when fired at I'll stay out of trouble.

 

[DIESELMACK]

DM,
I appreciate your efforts to help others and your desire to learn about all things Cichla. There are, however, many new publications regarding Cichla. I have published 4 myself and a few friends have published some more. A little research in the right areas will turn them up immediately.


Cheers,
--Brian

If its no trouple could you link me to them or pm me them....I havent seen them and try to read up as much as possible anything I find.