FRT Restrictions

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I have two FRTs that I have owned since before they were put on CITES II. I am a reptile guy and am new to the whole fish thing but the FRTs being fully aquatic helped me bridge the gap. I have checked a ton of sources and the best I can gather is that the Indonesian govornment can set a quota for the export of Captive hatched juveniles. The latest I heard was that they have yet to set a quota. I have looked all over the internet and it has been a long time since I have seen anything smaller than 4-5" for sale. If hatchling FRTs are coming into the states I can't imagine who has them or why they wouldn't be showing up for sale. At any rate they are awesome critters and much hardier than people give them credit for, I would highly recommend picking one up if you are lucky enough to come across one for a fair price.
 
Just as an aside to the FRT discussion, here is a personal experience concerning endangered turtles. About four years ago I was at The Reptile Breeders Expo in Orlando, FL. The Expo is supposed to sell only captive born reptiles and probably had 150-200 vendors. I happened to have a friend with me visiting from California. While looking around he spotted a spotted turtle from Pakistan and wanted to buy a pair. The vendor asked where he lived and finding that he was from out of state said that he could not legally buy them. Now I could have legally bought them because I live in Florida and the breeder was from Florida, but I had no interest and was not about to buy the turtles for him.

But this does beg the question of why a captive born turtle, not native to the United States and not leaving the country, could not cross state lines?

I could fully understand a rare/endangered native, like say a Bog Turtle being under such restrictions. I could also understand not being able to sell the Pakistani Turtle to say, England. But it escapes me why a non-native cannot cross state lines. Does this make sense? Similar laws governing plants are laughed at in Germany, at least some of them think we are nuts.

I heard of a case where of highly endangered monitor lizard existing in our country as a male in one state and a female in another, and because of this law never the twain shall meet. It sounds like this law could use revision.
 
Does anyone know what the law is in the UK, as far as i'm aware is stands that all imports of FRT's are illegal, but does this still stand on imports of captive bred species such as those from Indonesia? I believe it does, can anyone confirm this?
 
I've seen FRT's for sale in London..last I saw , a decent sized one, was on sale for 600 quid..
 
u think trading 1 FRT for 5 bichirs is worth the trade? currently have 2 and one just bit ones mouth htis morning trying to be greedy over food!! now ones mouth is swollen...gona get rid of one for the bichirs maybe...u think he bichirs will eat my 2'' loaches?? im sure itll try to bu tu think itll fit in their 7-9'' body? lol
 
Just as an aside to the FRT discussion, here is a personal experience concerning endangered turtles. About four years ago I was at The Reptile Breeders Expo in Orlando, FL. The Expo is supposed to sell only captive born reptiles and probably had 150-200 vendors. I happened to have a friend with me visiting from California. While looking around he spotted a spotted turtle from Pakistan and wanted to buy a pair. The vendor asked where he lived and finding that he was from out of state said that he could not legally buy them. Now I could have legally bought them because I live in Florida and the breeder was from Florida, but I had no interest and was not about to buy the turtles for him.

But this does beg the question of why a captive born turtle, not native to the United States and not leaving the country, could not cross state lines?

I could fully understand a rare/endangered native, like say a Bog Turtle being under such restrictions. I could also understand not being able to sell the Pakistani Turtle to say, England. But it escapes me why a non-native cannot cross state lines. Does this make sense? Similar laws governing plants are laughed at in Germany, at least some of them think we are nuts.

I heard of a case where of highly endangered monitor lizard existing in our country as a male in one state and a female in another, and because of this law never the twain shall meet. It sounds like this law could use revision.
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Sorry :confused:to have to ask but What about alligators the only thing I can find on them thats up to date is there listed as species of consern do to looking like caimens and american croc :screwy:I found 3 breeders that are selling them across state lines with no permites needed to buy them they claim to be captive breed and legal I asked two local former breeders of caimens and they both say no way that there federaly restricted can anyone please help me with this one Thank you for your time guys Ive looked all over but they spend most the time talking in circles with agents and never in black and white thank you again
 
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