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i like the placement of the wood! im hoping to do something similar with my 120.. if i ever find wood big enough..
also, TAKE SOME MORE PHOTOS!! .. please.
also, TAKE SOME MORE PHOTOS!! .. please.
alyssatheurer;3705325; said:
Nice set-up! Sorry to here about the Jag and BTW niether fish look even close to 6-7" in your pic. Also I tend to disagree - if the fish is several stunted put it down. Their insides have grown but their bodies haven't.
If that Jag in that small tank is 6 years old I don't see the point of draggin' out the suffering. I commened you for caring but I personally don't see the point - just me and not my fish.
q_fish;3706012; said:
Yeah that is the loisellei
Deaths Sting;3706096; said:
haah ok I will take some more tonight...any requests?
Otherone;3706223; said:
well she certainly doesn't seem to be suffering in any way now...I have never heard of anyone saying that the insides f a fish grows at a different rate than the inside. If that were the case this fish would be exploding.
I like what you did with the tank. Nice deco and lots of room.
I'm not sure if a 36" tank is big enough for a GT pair for life though. But it's certainly big enough as a grow out for a while.
I'm not sure if a 36" tank is big enough for a GT pair for life though. But it's certainly big enough as a grow out for a while.
alyssatheurer;3706437; said:
YES- proof of this occurence can be considered MYTH. There's not alot of proof out there, if any to support Fishes internal organs growing til' the fish blows up. I'm yet to here of that ever happening. There are tons of articles both verified scientific data and data from hobbiest that do support stunting as a deformity to the internal organs. Most of the scientific data is in PDF forum- google it if you'd like. I've read quite a few articles on MFK supporting stunting being the growth of internal organs while the body does not.
Heres a few articles from Hobbiests so your not just hearin' it from me -
"Stunted growth is when the fish physically appears to stop growing - either because of poor diet, poor water quality or by being in a tank that's too small for it. What happens is the physical form of the fish stops growing, but the internal organs don't, which means they become increasingly more compacted. The fish's spine could also be deformed by severe stunting and the fish die of massive internal organ failure (BEFORE they bust).
Stunting can be permanent, or temporary. In the case of being in a tank that's too small, mild stunting can be somewhat reversed if addressed quickly enough and the fish is capable of living a relatively normal life. Sadly, because the fish carry on as normal despite the pain (which they must do to avoid predation in the wild) when the fish dies, the beginner aquarist misinterprets the death as "old age".
This is exactly why it's important that the beginner goes out and gets a 30gal+ tank for fancy goldfish and 55+for commons! ANYTHING less than 30gal is risking stunted growth."
"Keeping fish in an aquarium that is too small is incredibly unhealthy. It morally wrong to put something that grows large into a small confine area for several reasons. 1) You are preventing the fish from growing to it's full potential. It will either become stunted, or it will die. 2) You are causing the fish to live extremely uncomfortably. Imagine yourself, living in a 3 foot by 3 foot closet, with only a bucket to go to the bathroom in. No matter how much air circulation there is, no matter how much you are fed, and no matter how many times that bucket is dumped out, you are guaranteed to live a miserable life. This is exactly what is happening to large fish in small aquariums.
If the fish does not suffocate in it's own filth, it is going to become stunted. Stunting is very painful, and causes deformities. Deformities include internal organs growing inside the body, even when the body is not growing. Soon the organs will grow too large and either 1) 1 or more organs will burst open inside the fish causing a massively painful death for the fish, or 2) An organ will grow too large for the body to be able to supply energy to and the fish will die of some sort of organ failure, usually a slow death. Other symptoms of stunting are sculliosis, which can get to the point where the fish can barely move, and does cause severe spinal pain for the fish.
So please, if you plan on putting large fish in small tanks, reconsider your options. If you already have fish in a tank too small for them, please, take them back and get smaller fish."
If the fish does not suffocate in it's own filth, it is going to become stunted. Stunting is very painful, and causes deformities. Deformities include internal organs growing inside the body, even when the body is not growing. Soon the organs will grow too large and either 1) 1 or more organs will burst open inside the fish causing a massively painful death for the fish, or 2) An organ will grow too large for the body to be able to supply energy to and the fish will die of some sort of organ failure, usually a slow death. Other symptoms of stunting are sculliosis, which can get to the point where the fish can barely move, and does cause severe spinal pain for the fish.
So please, if you plan on putting large fish in small tanks, reconsider your options. If you already have fish in a tank too small for them, please, take them back and get smaller fish."
