Gar sizes and tank requirements

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Sorry Xander, but I disagree on this one with you. Especially since I've recently been profiting from your knowldege on these guys lately.

*As far as gar's and their back breaking in a large tank I think it's just as likely if not more so in a small tank. Now my opinion is based on my Armatus's and there likely hood to do the same. They dart like a bat out of hell and can reach full speed in inches. Most Armatus are killed in tank cleaning accidents where they're already just inches away from the glass. They huddle in a corner and if you get to close will make a quick turn and slam into the back/front of the tank which is usually about 2 feet maybe less away with enough force to break their back. I imagine the same is true for skittish gars. My gars are at least as fast as my Armatus in a quick dart. So a tank would have to be pretty small to eliminate that threat.

*As far as finding prey items I find that feeders congregate at the sides of the tank in a mass so it's just as easy for my fish to find them as in a small tank. They have the same instincts as the gars when spooked running the length of the tank and stopping in cover in the corner's the gars seem to find them just fine. Not that it matters I'm a strong believer in converting all fish off of live.

*I believe and always have that the sucess of keeping fish is having the right kind of cover to suit the fish. I think gars prefer vegetation as cover and I believe this because I think it's what they commonly use in nature. Hiding amongst floating vegetation and vines along the banks. I know with my Shortnose they seem to have settled down fast since they have vine work in the tank to tangle up in. They dart into the thick of it at a high speed but are slowed trying to run through it and settle there until they feel comfortable again. Plus running through it seems to really slow them down making crashing less likely. Maybe I have the exceptions to the rule or maybe I've just been lucky so far, but they don't seem skittish to me. Maybe it's cause I do water changes every 2 day's or maybe it's because they're in a high traffic area, but they are definetly less skittish than my Armatus's right now.

Oh and Xander you did help me again, the bullet idea is a great way to express multiple points, so thanks! Again like I said these are just my opinions I'm no gar expert and I'm not pretending to be. Just hoping my opinion is helpful.
 
koltsix;4439256; said:
Sorry Xander, but I disagree on this one with you. Especially since I've recently been profiting from your knowldege on these guys lately.

*As far as gar's and their back breaking in a large tank I think it's just as likely if not more so in a small tank. Now my opinion is based on my Armatus's and there likely hood to do the same. They dart like a bat out of hell and can reach full speed in inches. Most Armatus are killed in tank cleaning accidents where they're already just inches away from the glass. They huddle in a corner and if you get to close will make a quick turn and slam into the back/front of the tank which is usually about 2 feet maybe less away with enough force to break their back. I imagine the same is true for skittish gars. My gars are at least as fast as my Armatus in a quick dart. So a tank would have to be pretty small to eliminate that threat.

*As far as finding prey items I find that feeders congregate at the sides of the tank in a mass so it's just as easy for my fish to find them as in a small tank. They have the same instincts as the gars when spooked running the length of the tank and stopping in cover in the corner's the gars seem to find them just fine. Not that it matters I'm a strong believer in converting all fish off of live.

*I believe and always have that the sucess of keeping fish is having the right kind of cover to suit the fish. I think gars prefer vegetation as cover and I believe this because I think it's what they commonly use in nature. Hiding amongst floating vegetation and vines along the banks. I know with my Shortnose they seem to have settled down fast since they have vine work in the tank to tangle up in. They dart into the thick of it at a high speed but are slowed trying to run through it and settle there until they feel comfortable again. Plus running through it seems to really slow them down making crashing less likely. Maybe I have the exceptions to the rule or maybe I've just been lucky so far, but they don't seem skittish to me. Maybe it's cause I do water changes every 2 day's or maybe it's because they're in a high traffic area, but they are definetly less skittish than my Armatus's right now.

Oh and Xander you did help me again, the bullet idea is a great way to express multiple points, so thanks! Again like I said these are just my opinions I'm no gar expert and I'm not pretending to be. Just hoping my opinion is helpful.

this is just in response to the above comments, and nothing personal, so please don't necessarily take it that way:

- you can feel free to disagree with xander on this issue of course, and some of what he said is a bit off, but the majority is correct. so you can disagree, but you would still be incorrect.

- based on years of keeping gars of all species, and insanely lengthy discussions with others who have done the same (richard and i try to meet up at least 1-2x a month when not in field season). we have found that the step-wise progression of tank size works best for gars, and this is primarily due to the back-breaking issue and to an extent feeding.

- you compare to your armatus, but armatus have the same kind of backbone morphology that nearly all other fishes have; gars on the other hand have a unique opisthocoelous vertebrae system, which isn't found in any other fishes except a couple gobies, and from there on it's in some reptiles and birds. so although they may seem to act the same in their darting, the damage potential and morphology are completely different.

- cover is almost always good for gars, so you are right on with that...and i think xander was saying the same thing.

- from a finding food issue...it's easier for a smaller gar to find food in a smaller tank...also less space for a school of minnows to disperse and escape. couple this with the benefits of less-back breaking potential, and the step-wise tank progression is further supported.

it is hard to explain, but most gars take time to learn the boundaries of the tank, but they do learn them...better to increase the tank with the size of the gar so they learn these boundaries and when to stop before ramming the glass. again, this comes from observations with many gars, and we are still just beginning to learn the nuances of their behavior in captivity and on a species-level basis.--
--solomon
 
I take no offense I take everything here as having the potential to enlighten me. I like discussion's and I like being educated I want to learn. I want to do what's best for my pets so I appreciate the response and it's benefits. Now where were you when I wrote my thread? Lol! I'm trying right now to sucessfully keep Shortnose and Florida Gars and am fully devoted to their well being. So thanx for the info any more for a Shortnose keeper? I've been told they're one of the more challenging gar to keep.
 
they are very difficult. best advice is be prepared to lose it. It happens. I lost one, connor has lost quite a few, it happens. My was a jumper, i think connor's were mostly back issues.
 
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