Geo ID please

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They deffinately are in the 'Geophagus' brasiliensis complex, but knowing which one exactly may be hard to figure out since the group doesn't have a genus yet, let alone good descriptions of individual species. If they max out at 5"-6", then you can be sure they are 'G'. iporangensis .... as so far they are the smallest species in the group. At least until they all get a thorough look.

Not sure you can go by the size they are for breeding, since 'Geophagus' brasiliensis has been bred as small as 2.5" despite it's large adult size.
 
Póg mo thóin ...profanity had to set in...:banhim:

Geophagus iporangensis are described as mouth brooders. These guys are open substrate spawners. So definitely not Geophagus iporangensis.
 
apisto;4955498; said:
Póg mo thóin ...profanity had to set in ...
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It's not profane ... in English. ;) And it's not directed at you, it's in my tagline so it's every post I make. Most don't even know what language it's in, sad as that is.

Where did you see they were mouthbrooders? Every breeding event I've read has them as substrate spawns like the rest of the 'Geophagus' brasiliensis complex ... I've yet to see a mouthbrooding behavior in any of these ex-geo's.
 
No, you aren't off. The brasiliensis complex looks a lot like Gymnogeophagus exmeridionalis and Gymnogeophagus rhabdotus, especially when young. As they grow you'll notice the differance though.

Yours don't show the double spotted row that Gymnogeophagus have though.
 
Could be, I can't rule out any of the various brasiliensis types becuase there hasn't been a scientific write up on them where I can do scale or fin counts, ect. And given they don't even have a genus yet, I am sure we won't have such a guide for quite some time.
 
For sure not a keyholoe or ram species. I posted the below in another recent thread regarding 'G.' iporangensis. It is transcription stright from Thomas Wiedners book. (sorry for any mis-spelling) Sorry if I missed it but collection information would really be of benifit here if you have any details?

Characters of the species:
This species is more elongate compared to 'G. brasiliensis'. The head is longer and appears rather more pointed. The body and caudal peduncle are less deep. Accourding to Haseman (1911) the fins of preserved specimens are virtually without spots, dark at the base, and edged in black. There is a dark spot at the base of the caudal, a lateral spot on the centre of the flank and no, or only a few blue dots on the body.

I would add the possibility of 'G.' itapicuruensis as well. The spotting (lack there of) on the flanks, the short caudal peduncle and what looks like the proper 4 verticle bars the species is known for could make a viable candidate as well.
 
apisto;4956954; said:
Hi Justin,
is that from Wiedner's 2004 book? I have that. Will have a look at it when I get home tonight
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My copy says year 2000 but it's likely the same book. "South American Eartheaters" published by Cichlid Press ISBN# 0-9668255-1-9
 
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