Gets my blood boiling...

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So I just had to share the experience. I found this YouTuber NSROB, looked at one of his videos to find him purposely trying to spawn a big male flower horn with a female Festae... I comment saying "why would you do that, it's hard enough to get clean, nice strains of Festae as is" and get " why wouldn't I do it, I guess you do not undrstand how new strains are made..." Just made me angry and thought I'd share lol.

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That's how you get some of the crazy looking flower horns. Weird mixes.
 
Right... you have to respect people's interest. I agree with you. I love the natural look of a fish and I strive to create a natural environment but everyone does not feel the same. At the end of the day, as long as the fish aren't being abused we really cannot complain. Different strokes for different folks.
 
So I just had to share the experience. I found this YouTuber NSROB, looked at one of his videos to find him purposely trying to spawn a big male flower horn with a female Festae... I comment saying "why would you do that, it's hard enough to get clean, nice strains of Festae as is" and get " why wouldn't I do it, I guess you do not undrstand how new strains are made..." Just made me angry and thought I'd share lol.

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First of all you Flowerhorn can be made from festae. Maybe he wants free feeders or something
 
Y is the hybridization of festae any different that any other of the cichlids commonly used to create flowerhorn? To each their own though as long as he doesn't turn around and sell them as something pure.
 
Few westerners have the patience or space to take a spawn, grow it out to adult size, and all the along the way weed (cull) out all the weak, generic, and bland looking individuals. And then only mate the best ones.
So what most spawns end up like, are a bunch of generic looking, dull fish, that are unidentifiable. This "fad" is producing fish, that no serious cichlid keeper would want to breed, because they are all mutts. And is ruining the ability to find true species in all but the most respected places. Without a paper trail of provenance, it may soon become impossible to find a true festae, and may become so expensive to buy a true cichlid of any species, it will become out of reach. And unless a LFS can provide me proof that a species is what they say it is, I'm already skeptical enough not to pay anything for it.
In the same manner that when you breed different races of dogs together, you end up with a brown or grey dog that looks like every other mutt in the world, this is how most hybrids end up. We may need an AKC of cichlids to find a good one.
The island where I live is full of mutts and is the perfect example of random crossing, all the dogs look look similar to the one below
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There is also the problem in not only passing on, or losing certain genes that a fish in one area has developed to ward off disease because of evolution in a unique environment.
Although the disease "duck lips" was common in hybrid livebearers for decades, it has in the last decade become almost epidemic in cichlids, as the bacteria become stronger.
In order to breed lots of sellable FHs, random antibiotic treatments were needed, and have created super bacteria (Columnaris for one), that will be much harder to irradiate from our tanks.
I attribute this to the advent of the flower horn, and funny, the disease was once called flower horn disease.
 
ruining the ability to find true species in all but the most respected places.
This is what I don't like about hybrids, it's not particularly the look of them,some of them may even be attractive. It's the authenticity of it I don't like.
The thing I get out of keeping fish is the ability to sit infront of my tanks and let my imagination take me away to a jungle Creek up the Amazon or a rocky lake in Nicaragua or wherever it is my cichlids come from.
The hybrid cichlid swimming through my scape would feel wrong,it would spoil my enjoyment of what I was attempting to do.
If I wanted a central American cichlid tank, I would want the cichlids to be central American cichlids.Not a cross bred imposter.
Obviously we get different things out of fish keeping so I don't expect everybody to see it this way,but from my point of view I want a festea to be a festea and not just a it might be.
 
Agree with what's being said, interested to know what people think about line bred fish
 
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