man thanks aaronb and hackjob for the links. Really like the animalbean overflow, I'll will be going that route for sure. It seems to address all the concerns I had with overflow. I didn't have time to look it over too thorough yet, but did the sump have any baffles in it. I can pretty much do what ever I want for almost nothing on the sump, I have a ton of scrap 1/4" glass laying around. Any advice, opinions, pics, diagrams of trick wetdry set ups would be greatly appreciated. I talked briefly with a guy about a large moving bed sump using glass beads, a a short pvc tube with holes drilled in it, and a power head pumping water through it. I think he mentioned the glass bead media to what people use for glass bead blasting, and goes on to say that you basically dont have to maintenance it cause no waste can settle on media. Anybody heard of, seen or used anything like this. Here's a real quick doodle of what I got from the conversation. Hackjob thanks man for the link on flow rate, very helpful. <a href="http://s709.photobucket.com/albums/ww92/precisionglass/?action=view&current=movingbed.png" target="_blank"><img src="http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww92/precisionglass/movingbed.png" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>