Global warming, fact or fiction?

[rmorse]

Heh. I just read the posts after the posts my girlfriend did (on my username), and I found a lot of them highly amusing. There is no debate here. What-so-ever. Views will not change. And that is the problem. The "non-believers" will not change their actions, thus continuing the downward spiral. The "believers" will waste millions, possibly billions, of dollars/pounds/euros/etc trying to fix something that is not broken.

Personally, I do believe that we are contributing to the global climate change. Personally, I have changed my actions in an attempt to help rectify the situation in any way. If you do not believe in global climate change/global warming/Armageddon, thats fine...IF AND ONLY IF you have taken the time to do your research. By the responses I have seen, it seems only a couple of the "non-believers" have actually spent time learning about this subject, and come to a educated conclusion.

Likewise, it seems that the majority of the "non-believers" are going with the flow, feeding their ignorance.

Note: I say feeding their ignorance meaning they did not take the time to learn the facts/study the details before coming to their conclusion.

 

[X24]

Heh. I just read the posts after the posts my girlfriend did (on my username), and I found a lot of them highly amusing. There is no debate here. What-so-ever. Views will not change. And that is the problem. The "non-believers" will not change their actions, thus continuing the downward spiral. The "believers" will waste millions, possibly billions, of dollars/pounds/euros/etc trying to fix something that is not broken.

Personally, I do believe that we are contributing to the global climate change. Personally, I have changed my actions in an attempt to help rectify the situation in any way. If you do not believe in global climate change/global warming/Armageddon, thats fine...IF AND ONLY IF you have taken the time to do your research. By the responses I have seen, it seems only a couple of the "non-believers" have actually spent time learning about this subject, and come to a educated conclusion.

Likewise, it seems that the majority of the "non-believers" are going with the flow, feeding their ignorance.

Note: I say feeding their ignorance meaning they did not take the time to learn the facts/study the details before coming to their conclusion.

My views change drastically depending on who the majority is in an argument. I always try to argue for the one in the minority, i find its usually the best way to get all of the facts. Argue with (for) the majority and you are fed mostly just what the majority says and barely hear the minority. Argue with (for) the minority and you get all the stuff you find plus you have a million people shouting things against your view.

Of course over the years I've found myself believing in natural climate change over man made climate change, I've become atheist, I've become pro-choice, I've become democrat after being republican and now currently find myself in the middle since everybody seems to just be going after the majority of what people believe and a there is no way a pro-choice, atheist non-global warming believer will get in the Whitehouse.

I'm sorry if i took my views too far there but anyway.

Its hard to change peoples opinions when they believe without a doubt they are correct, however its also hard to stay in the middle until a definitive answer is found since there are major consequences for doing that too.

I don't believe in global warming but i DO believe that there are more consequences of being wrong and doing nothing then to believe I'm right but still take steps to prevent it if i am wrong.

I still really think global warming isn't man made and is natural between the sun heating up and us getting farther in between ice ages.

 

[unstopable4700]

i did not read any of this post. none.

OWNED! After being totally proven wrong, and frankly embarrassed, I doubt he will be posting here again.

this guy never read my other posts, lol no i know that we have good science. what my point is rather then read 12 pages of post arguing. i made my point. think i'll go away because i might be wrong on a world wide ? the fact of the matter is the earth has been around longer than us and it will support us and we will adapt or die. what i think global warming as far as temp shows is we need to grow and harvest those plants that thrive in that climate. we need to roll with the way the earth is. not try to save or regulate the climate that makes us comfy. we have changed things, yes but i, think that no matter what the earth will allow us to live if we except its changes. so i gues get in your smart car and wait till winter. i ned the work

 

[King Edward]

Quick point, it has long been accepted by those that are not in favor of the global warming idea that Bush acceptance of the theory is a grave mistake by him. Quoting his governmental report will not sway those who are not in favor of your argument. Most anyone who follows the argument should know that those who are not in agreement with this theory of global warming see Bush's joining on the other side and government trying to scared people into change.

Just trying to help since people are posting information from him over and over again... Those who are against the idea would be the Conservatives in case any was unclear on that.

Also when you are less than 20 you can not say the weather in your life time has changed so much lately as proof of change.

If you in favor of Obama you can not be against Global warming...

There are many who have proof of the lack of global warming caused by Man out their, listen to Rush once in a while and you will scientist after scientists who have reports to contour the ones above... don't say show me... go check his site... also the mass media will not show those reports... It is not doom and gloom enough to make the news... Yellow Journalism has not died, it just be came all of Journalism...

Good points mike, I regretted putting Mr Bush's name in front. I had forgotten how partizan US politics are...I am not from anyside of the political spectrum...I hope no one takes this thread as an attack on them and their beliefs...

What I was after with this thread is not to bash those that dont believe, but to encourage them to think about their positions, there are lines of argument that make a decent stab at being anti... My boss is one of ohhh all of 2 scientists in the UK that doesnt believe in global warming! We have quite a lot of fun arguing about it...

There is a big problem with the media, they do not report the truth. But there is a big problem with the anti side of things cause most of the 'science' is plain propaganda. There is a lot of propaganda on the pro-side too...

The truth about the science is that it is rapidly becoming overwhelming...for every paper that comes out saying it theres no warming by there approach, 20 more are published saying it appears to be happening... Even the antis are giving up on saying warming isnt happening...

Argument is good though, all the greatest scientific advances have come out of people arguing over how things are, you anti's have an important role to play, its unhealthy when everyone simply agrees, but as your case gets slimmer you need to get more educated and sophisticated with your arguments...

 

[King Edward]

You do realize that CO2 is REQUIRED in the atmosphere. The absorption rate compared to the naturally produced rate is showing me that nature seems to be taking care of the extra CO2 we have put out.

Do you have any fancy charts like this showing how much CO2 was absorbed when we had no impact on the earth? Did you know 2 3/4th million years ago the climate was hotter, had higher sea levels and higher levels of CO2 then now?

Yes I did as I pointed out earlier it is thought by some that our lungs developed in a much higher concn of CO2 and that this is the root of quite a few ailments of the modern age...This is behind the attempts to diagnose health by breath analysis... In roman britian we were a wine producing nation. Grapes havent grown here for hundreds of years, but now again on the south coast, they can be harvested...The table above shows what an ENORMOUS amount of CO2 the world absorbs, and as you point out needs to absorb...If our emissions were half our 1995 level it would appear the earth would deal with it for us, in terms of CO2 anyway...

Climate shifts whether we are here or not. Blaming something that occurs naturally on humans is basically a way of saying "We are god, we change the earth for the better or the worse" when really we have nothing but the slightest hand in this.

The world cares very little wether the climate changes or not, life will go on. If it gets too hot the lizards will take over again! The question is wether or not we want to keep ourselves living here for a little longer or not...nature will get along fine without us.

The second point is that the problem is not so much that the climates is changing, but the speed at which its changing. It has prob never changed so quickly, this is what causes the real problems as species dont have time to move to other areas as their habitat warms up or cools down...often even if they could move they cant cause we have built a city in the way...

We are currently in an inter-glacial period and this will last a couple million years maybe less maybe more, but all this global warming talk is just people being paranoid. People think it gets hotter every summer, so they check out weather history and see the average temperatures are getting warmer, but its just normal temperature fluctuation. Its like flipping a quarter. Its not always going to be 50/50 heads tails. You may end up with more heads sometimes you may end up with more tails.

Its not as simple as flipping of coin though, because there IS a little heating up occurring, that was just to show temperature fluctuations as a possible cause for the average temperature being 1-2 degrees warmer ]over the last 150 years.

Possible, but highly unlikely....given the concequences we face, surely it is better we act to limit emissions, and then find out in 100yrs that we were wrong in our assumptions and you get to laugh at us, as a pose to not doing anything and finding out we were right and us not being able to laugh at you very much cause we are starving cause all our crops have failed...thats very selfish of you to load the bet in your favour like that!

If you want to base global warming off of ice cores, then let me tell you, the planet has ALWAYS warmed up in between and before ice ages. That is if the ice cores are as accurate as people think they are.

In between the ice ages it has, but never so fast, also it is thought that we should be entering an iceage rather than warming up...I'll look for some temp data later...

There is really no proof to man made global warming that can't be proven to be false or really what nature is intending to happen.

There is lots...how else can you explain the elevated CO2 level in the air...where has it come from, saying that is like soaking your garden with a hose saying you cant PROVE 100% that this water on my lawn isnt natural...fact CO2 pours out the end of your car, our powerstations and a myriad of other sources...unless you manage to discover some ENORMOUS outpouring of CO2 from natural sources that the 1000's of scientists and billions of dollars has been spent trying to find, your on to a losser with that one!!!

One of the few ways i can think of that we COULD alter climate dramatically is by Nuclear Winter, which i believe is much more possible to happen then man made global warming.

With this we can agree, but that is a discussion for another thread...but I bet that thread just gets nasty...

 

[King Edward]

this guy never read my other posts, lol no i know that we have good science. what my point is rather then read 12 pages of post arguing. i made my point. think i'll go away because i might be wrong on a world wide ? the fact of the matter is the earth has been around longer than us and it will support us and we will adapt or die. what i think global warming as far as temp shows is we need to grow and harvest those plants that thrive in that climate. we need to roll with the way the earth is. not try to save or regulate the climate that makes us comfy. we have changed things, yes but i, think that no matter what the earth will allow us to live if we except its changes. so i gues get in your smart car and wait till winter. i ned the work

See I dont think we all disagree that much...some say its us some say its not and a lot of people seem to make that decision along political lines. Most of use can agree that SOMETHING is happening for SOMEREASON, and that could have bad effects for us! This is great cause this is enough to start to change....

Dont forget there are many reasons to change anyway...apart from CO2 burning fossil fuels pollutes tha air in many other ways that are makinng a lot of people ill, oh and did I mention alternative fueled cars WILL BE FASTER!!! The only real big group that regularly use alternative fuel in the us are......NASCAR DRIVERS!!!!

 

[ewurm]

No more global warming threads.