since most stores that sell GTs are selling gold saums, I believe it is consistent to say that most "stringy-poo" concerns are also associated with gold saums
gold saum a fake?
- Thread starter triply
- Start date
Thanks, Sab. Do you happen to know why this is so common with this species? Last question. I promise! I don't want to hijack the thread.Sab_Fan;3771850;3771850 said:
I don't know why that is, no . . . perhaps it's because the fish is popular and therefore over-bred and/or raised in poor conditions . . . it's not unique to GTs/Saums, I have experienced similar problems with EBJDs (also over-bred, and in-bred too)
yeah some types of fish are just more prone to it than others and like sab_fan said its very possible that inbreeding could have a part in a fish's ability to fight off parasites and the fact that like feeder fish they are most likely kept in poor conditions by the mass producers of them and petstore chains, and yes usually when people are referring to GT in threads they are talking about the Gold saum and it is these guys that tend to be susceptible to it, im not sure about the other 2 types' susceptibility to them...
Found this link that goes into depth about it, it begins at the bottom of the first page and was a good read. http://www.cichlid-forum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=205134&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0
This should all be sorted out this year. All the DNA sampling has been done by Stalsberg and others, and the Andinoacara complex should soon be properly classified.
The problem is that the original Aequidens rivulatus specimen discovered by Gunther no longer exists, and he didnt record exactly where he collected it. So the original description of A. rivulatus (or what there is of it - it was very short) is all there is to go on.
There are 3 fish in the GT complex.
Gunther's 'rivulatus' had orange fin edges, so the 'Gold Saum' will be classified as Andinoacara rivulatus.
The fish in Jeff Rapps' pics posted on page 1 of this thread by silverdragon will be classified as Andinoacara stalsbergi.
The third fish, the one that was originally called Green Terror in the US and silbersaum (silver edge) in Europe, also has white fin edges, but has dark scales with pale surrounds like the gold saum.
The problem is that the original Aequidens rivulatus specimen discovered by Gunther no longer exists, and he didnt record exactly where he collected it. So the original description of A. rivulatus (or what there is of it - it was very short) is all there is to go on.
There are 3 fish in the GT complex.
Gunther's 'rivulatus' had orange fin edges, so the 'Gold Saum' will be classified as Andinoacara rivulatus.
The fish in Jeff Rapps' pics posted on page 1 of this thread by silverdragon will be classified as Andinoacara stalsbergi.
The third fish, the one that was originally called Green Terror in the US and silbersaum (silver edge) in Europe, also has white fin edges, but has dark scales with pale surrounds like the gold saum.
blackghostuk;3773222; said:
I also want to add that the Sibler Saum or Silver Saum is not the same as the White Saum. A White Saum sometimes is refer as a Silver Saum which is a variant of of the Gold Suam with white fin edge which is not the same fish as the Silber Saum.
