gold saum a fake?

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importracer;3774271; said:
Gold Saum has white tips....
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Gold saum has orange/red fin edges. Silver has white. They're otherwise the same, I'm pretty sure.
 
yeah they have the orange tips hence the "gold" vs. "white" in the names
 
blackghostuk;3773222; said:
This should all be sorted out this year. All the DNA sampling has been done by Stalsberg and others, and the Andinoacara complex should soon be properly classified.

The problem is that the original Aequidens rivulatus specimen discovered by Gunther no longer exists, and he didnt record exactly where he collected it. So the original description of A. rivulatus (or what there is of it - it was very short) is all there is to go on.

There are 3 fish in the GT complex.
Gunther's 'rivulatus' had orange fin edges, so the 'Gold Saum' will be classified as Andinoacara rivulatus.
The fish in Jeff Rapps' pics posted on page 1 of this thread by silverdragon will be classified as Andinoacara stalsbergi.
The third fish, the one that was originally called Green Terror in the US and silbersaum (silver edge) in Europe, also has white fin edges, but has dark scales with pale surrounds like the gold saum.
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Close, but not quite. The fish Rapps has listed has already been formally described as Andinoacara stalsbergi ... and as you mentioned, it's the only one with the 'reverse' scale pattern and the green terror imported in the early seventies. This is also the fish known as 'silbersaum'.

Andinoacara rivulatus was also in the paper that described A. stalsbergi, and is has a very tiny restricted range in Ecuador. Alf Stalsberg sent some perseved speciums to Kullander. As far as anyone knows, this fish has never been imported into the trade.

The saums (gold, red, and white/silver) are being formally described as we speak. It seems this fish might well be A. aequinoctalis according to Alf, but that isn't a given until the paper is released. As most of us thought, the three fin colors are just regional variants of one species.

Citrinellus - Thanks for the link, I was having a hard time finding it again. I loved that discussion with Alf. I don't mind being corrected by the experts, I'm glad he joined that site!!!
 
peathenster;3771551; said:
This topic comes up once every few months. Do a search here and you'll know everything ;)



I do want to point out that "false" isn't really a negative word here. It's only meant to say that this fish is not the same as the one originally named "green terror". Quite common in nomenclature.
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As I said, original is a better description.
 
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