Goldfish - The posion meat?!?

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CrypticSins

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Ok< I was reading that post about how goldfish are just the most horrible thing to feed your ... piranhas, and other fish eating... fish. Well :swear: My Elong will ONLY eat goldfish, I tried to feeder guppies and roseys, and even neon tetras... From what I gather, anything small enough for him to just, "swallow" he will not bother. I've had 10 guppies in the tank with him for along ass time. hell the guppies are breeding! :swear:
 
Breeding guppies in pirhana tank? Brilliant!
 
yea its true their is something in goldfish that can slow down the growth of piranhas . also i hope that you keep the feeders in a tank by themselves for awhile before feeding them to your elong. feeders are very dirty fish and can get your piranha sick. as for not eating anything but golds he will eat when hungry. it may take some time but when hungry enough he will eat whatever is around for food.
 
The occasional healthy goldfish won't hurt but don't feed them as staple diet. Try mollies or platies. Also if you stop feeding goldfish the elong will take other food, it just might take a week or so, they can easily survive not being fed that long.
 
patriotsfan said:
yea its true their is something in goldfish that can slow down the growth of piranhas . also i hope that you keep the feeders in a tank by themselves for awhile before feeding them to your elong. feeders are very dirty fish and can get your piranha sick. as for not eating anything but golds he will eat when hungry. it may take some time but when hungry enough he will eat whatever is around for food.

I'm curious to know where you got this information about goldfish? You sound so sure I want to look into it more.
 
guppy said:
The occasional healthy goldfish won't hurt but don't feed them as staple diet. Try mollies or platies. Also if you stop feeding goldfish the elong will take other food, it just might take a week or so, they can easily survive not being fed that long.

In the Amazon during the dry season they devour anything that wanders into their pool. Thats how they got the reputation. If he is hungry enough, he will eat the guppies or even your hand!
 
Yep. They might even eat tofu if desperate, but i wouldn't. :ROFL:
 
Look up thiaminase on google, you will find articles like this one,

ghost shrimp, mollies, guppies) will be needed to initiate feeding and many individuals may never accept anything but live fare. You should attempt to train your Rhinopias to take pieces of shrimp, squid and fish off of a feeding stick. One thing you should avoid is feeding your scorpionfish a diet consisting only of feeder goldfish. Raw goldfish flesh contains thiaminase, an enzyme that causes the breakdown of thiamin. If you feed your scorpionfish a diet that consists only of goldfish, they may become thiamin deficient, which can result in feeding cessation, clamped fins and nervous in coordination. If you have to feed them live food, gut pack mollies, guppies and/or ghost shrimp with a nutritious food (e.g., Cyclop-eeze®) before you feed them to your Rhinopias (some individual may be reluctant to feed on live ghost shrimp).

and this,
should be obvious from the above that thiamin is an essential component of energy metablosim. Without sufficient thiamin, animals have impired pyruvate utilization, causing increased plasma pyruvate levels and a shortage of cellular ATP. Thiamin deficient animals also have below normal transketolase activity, and therefore a good test of thiamin status is to test the amount of erythrocyte transketolase activity an animal exhibits. Because thiamin is so essential to energy utilization, general signs of thiamin deficiency include weight loss, impaired feed utilization, and weakness. More defieciency signs are detailed in the pages under Signs/Symptoms of Thiamin Deficiency.

Some thiamin is also used to form thiamin triphosphate which is thought to have a function in brain cell viability, though its exact role is still unclear

and,
Thiaminase destroys Thiamine (Vitamin B1).

12.) Regular intake of substantial amounts of food containing thiaminase could introduce enough thiaminase into the gut to break down the thiamine in food & render an animal thiamine-deficient.

13.) Some fish contain thiaminase (Type I, not II) & some don’t.

and,
Thiaminase destroys Thiamine (Vitamin B1).

rosey reds are almost as bad.

Here is a link,
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/170904.htm

Even though all the above is true it takes time and the diet needs to contain a high % of goldfish to develope thiamin deficet. The build up of copper can also be a problem in characins like piranha.
 
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