good ole Cindy

[Miguel]

IMO it's people like that, that hold this country back from reaching it's full potential, even though it is already one of the greatest countries in the world (If anybody that reads this doesn't feel that way then quit whining and MOVE to a different one).

I have been accompanying this thread and, as always, finding intelligent arguments on both sides of the barricade. But Ammerman, I live, am, in a different country and, irrespective of that, feel perfectly entitled to "whine "about that country of yours, and to whine about the circumstance that you guys have allowed that one man ( and his administration ) has so absurdly squandered the goodwill of the remaining world peoples towards the US. A magnificent country that has potential, that was and could continue to be one of the greatest countries in the world, as you mention ( in many more fields than brute force ), and that is throwing that away, increasingly. Whatever the US does, whatever whomever leads the US does, has, whether we will it or not, an enormous impact on the world.

I, as my country, fully supoported the Iraq issue ( the last pre invasion summit took place in Portugal, as you know ). I, personnally, feel cheated. Feel cheated by a man that, with absurd impunity, lied to the world and turned the world into a more dangerous place. And the part of the world that has allways been a friend to the US, feels cheated.

I feel, therefore, Ammerman, perfectly, tottally, and above all, sadly, entitled to "whine" about the current sorry state of affairs, of which your country is a major player.

M

 

[ammerman19]

That is fine Miguel I completely respect your right to do so.. When is the last time terrorists killed thousands of people in Portugal? If so would you feel different about going to war with terrorist aiding countries? IMO there is honestly no way that I can think of or have heard that would provide a peaceful or forceful way to change their feelings towards our country. If anybody has one please feel free. There are arguments to both sides but I honestly can't see any of them working quickly.

It's sad that the world is so messed up. Who is to say that going to war and trying to hunt down terrorists didn't save 10 lives or 100,000 from attacks that would have happened. Nobody knows. Perhaps we have lost a tenth of the people we would have lost if military action wasn't taken. Maybe terrorist attacks around the world are higher, maybe lower, I have no idea. All that can be done now is continue the path it is going or gently turn it around. Abrupt action against the current course seems like a bad idea IMO. But I'm not saying we should attack all countries who aid and abed terrorists.

The sad part is nobody knows or ever will. But my point is I'm sick and tired of our own countries' (USA) political in-fighting. I understand that this must occur or you don't have a democracy but it is just so extreme that most of the time nothing is accomplished because nobody will agree.

I dunno the more I think about all this the more frustrated I get. It's late and I gotta go to bed.

p.s. kinda what it boils down to maybe in a very simplistic statement would be that IMO most people are pretty much Aholes to each other

 

[Guinness]

But my point is I'm sick and tired of our own countries' (USA) political in-fighting. I understand that this must occur or you don't have a democracy but it is just so extreme that most of the time nothing is accomplished because nobody will agree.

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I used to agree with this. Now I wish it were true. The way I see it, the less these two political parties "accomplish" the better off our great country is.

 

[ammerman19]

lmao you may have a point