I know that the eel has to be in brackish water im just waiting till my brother gets his tank setup then im probably going to put the puffer fish in that tank too, though the puffer fish didn't match any of the photos on your link, im not even sure its a puffer ( a random women gave it to me and said it was a puffer but didn't know what kind), it looks like one but it hasn't matched any of the pictures. As for the pacu, I intend to keep it, its a baby right now and i know how big they get hence why im waiting to get a bigger tank. Greater sirens don't need land they live just fine being fully aquatic, that being said i do have land in my tank, i guess i never said this but my tank is a paludarium, i siliconed two pieces of glass together to form a box full of gravel on the bottom, a screen over the gravel and soil on top with plants growing. I realize that my stocking of fish is very bad, i didnt plan on having these fish, its just people didnt want them so i took them except the peacock bass that i actually bought. The feeder fish are actually for my tegu, I give her about 2 a week just to keep her hunger satisfied till i get mice the next week. So what fish should i put the greater siren with? and I thank you for warning me.
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I agree that it will be best to get those fish out of the siren tank ASAP. The fish may nip at the siren's gills, and sirens will eat small fish. I would not suggest keeping the baby sirens together with the big guy until they are pretty close to his size, and then only if you have a big complex tank.
Pufferpunk- sirens do not need a paludarium and do not go onto land if they have a choice. They are true aquatics, as are other paedomorphic salamanders.
Pufferpunk- sirens do not need a paludarium and do not go onto land if they have a choice. They are true aquatics, as are other paedomorphic salamanders.
I guess I believe you, since several folks here seem to be keeping them successfully but I haven't found any sites that say this is true.
What site have you found that says otherwise? From the SREL page you linked: "Sirens are completely aquatic, rarely emerging from water unless absolutely necessary. The absence of hindlimbs and the relatively weak forelimbs make overland travel virtually impossible."
I see now, that adults have gills: " Sirens spend the day under debris or rocks, burrowed in mud or thick vegetation. Young are often seen amid water-hyacinth roots. Adults are sometimes caught at night by bait fishermen. When drought dries up their habitat, sirens aestivate in mud burrows; their skin glands secrete a moisture-sealing cocoon over the body. They eat snails, insect larvae, small fish, and aquatic plants. Captive longevity about 25 years."
I hope the OP knows what he's getting into, keeping so many animals that get so large & have such a long lifespan.
I hope the OP knows what he's getting into, keeping so many animals that get so large & have such a long lifespan.
Yes i know what im getting into, ive already done my research on it only theres not a lot of info out there so i needed some one who has actually had them to teach what i dont know. I also fixed my tank scenario i now only have a jade goby and 2 baby peacock bass in the tank with the siren. I moved the pacu to another tank with the eel and the puffer fish. My brother finally got his 90gallon tank setup. Cant really put the peacock bass in the big tank since they will get eaten.
As for my tegu diet fish isnt unhealthy as long as its in moderation. I also give cold cuts like ham and roast beef, i also give her mice with strawberries and various other fruits with out seeds and no citrus. I know plenty about my reptiles.
So what fish can co-exist with my siren?
As for my tegu diet fish isnt unhealthy as long as its in moderation. I also give cold cuts like ham and roast beef, i also give her mice with strawberries and various other fruits with out seeds and no citrus. I know plenty about my reptiles.
So what fish can co-exist with my siren?
Some siren-keepers feed their guys live fish. From watching my sirens eat, I don't think they would be able to catch any active fish, so you may want to experiment with some feeders to start with. I have not tried to keep fish with my greater sirens, but I do keep some fish with my lessers. Fish that have worked well include bluefin killifish, blackspotted topminnows, Florida flagfish, and silver mollies, which are all small, gentle fish. Seminole killifish, which are more similar to golden wonder killies in temperament, picked at the sirens' gills.
I suggest you avoid bottom-dwellers, especially cats, as they are the fish most likely to be eaten by the sirens (and catfish could take the siren out with them). I would also avoid any kind of aggressive fish, and of course any fish with incompatible habitat needs, which eliminates most cichlids.
I would suggest larger livebearers (e.g. sailfin mollies), gentle sunfish (bantams, orangespots, or any of the Enneacanthus species), mudminnows, or peaceful cyprinids (giant danios, golden shiners, some of the Cyprinella sp., etc) as possible tankmates. With any of them, be sure to give them a trial period, watch them carefully, and be prepared to remove them to another tank if they are being pursued by or are picking at the siren.
I suggest you avoid bottom-dwellers, especially cats, as they are the fish most likely to be eaten by the sirens (and catfish could take the siren out with them). I would also avoid any kind of aggressive fish, and of course any fish with incompatible habitat needs, which eliminates most cichlids.
I would suggest larger livebearers (e.g. sailfin mollies), gentle sunfish (bantams, orangespots, or any of the Enneacanthus species), mudminnows, or peaceful cyprinids (giant danios, golden shiners, some of the Cyprinella sp., etc) as possible tankmates. With any of them, be sure to give them a trial period, watch them carefully, and be prepared to remove them to another tank if they are being pursued by or are picking at the siren.
Goldfish feeders are not a good food for any fish:
http://www.**************.com/forum/library/feeding/feeders/
How about small pieces of cut up fish from the grocery store? You could even soak them in liquid vitamins.
http://www.**************.com/forum/library/feeding/feeders/
How about small pieces of cut up fish from the grocery store? You could even soak them in liquid vitamins.
you can keep sirens with non-aggressive fish. i have kept my 3 lesser sirens in a 180 commnunity tank without problems. obviosly, dont put them with chichlids.
and provide some caves for them.
and provide some caves for them.
