grand sumo red long run

[RiskEE]

how is grand sumo red for the long run how did it turn out for you and did u notice anything of i noticed that the fish got more aggresive and bigger i been only feeding for about to months

 

[BIG_ONE]

GSR works great in terms of fish that doesn't show its full color because of lack of nutrients/care and what not. GSR will help bring it out, but if the genes of that redness isn't there then it will not show out. There are a few theories goes that GSR brings out color that isn't natural. But ask yourself why wouldn't it be natural? If the color is there then it should show, period. And one of the main reason of why it didn't show before GSR because of the lack of care or something that isn't making the fish to bring out its full coloration. Talking about RED coloring in general...and keep in mind, gene is #1 priority. Without it, GSR wouldn't do anything.

 

[JT.]

Im running a tank with a Flowerhorn and a female Blood Parrot.

When I have feed them with SUMO RED, the Flowerhorn only develops some red spots, but in the case of the Parrot, she gets absolutly red.

 

[RD.]

There are a few theories goes that GSR brings out color that isn't natural. But ask yourself why wouldn't it be natural? If the color is there then it should show, period.

Not exactly. In some fish foods there is an excessive amount of color enhancers used, usually synthetic color enhancers such as Carophyll Pink, which will indeed cause an unnatural coloration of a fish when fed in excess. So much so that it can cause a fish that is naturally yellow, to turn orange, or a fish that is naturally pink, to turn red. This type of color enhancement is quite common in Asia, as are hormones, and IMO if your fish require that type of enhancement in order to look nice perhaps its time to be looking for a better quality fish.

Natural color enhancers used in the proper proportions will only enhance what the fish is genetically wired to produce. Synthetic color enhancers can artificially enhance a fish to the point that they no longer look anything like they would if/when those synthetic enhancers are removed from their diet. Pretty much the same effect as when a hormoned fish is taken off of hormones.

The problem is it is far cheaper for a manufacturer to jack up the color enhancing properties of their feed by simply adding a boat load of synthetic color enhancing agents such Carophyll Pink, etc, than by doing things the natural way. These are the same type of color enhancing agents used by the salmon industry, which is why a farm raised salmon has pink flesh, instead of a bland grey. (guess which ones the consumer choose to eat?)

It all depends on how much is added to the feed, you just have to pick a number from the slick little color chart & dial in what kind of unnatural color that you are seeking.

 

[RD.]

And just to show how common this type of artificial enhancement is in Asia .....

http://forum.bidka.org/showthread.php?t=3018&page=3

I was in Singapore two weeks ago to attend the Discus Judging course of Discus Club (Singapore) and for the Aquarama Fair. There were some heavily colour enhanced fish competing in the Show. All of them made it to the first three in their classes. Some of the fish were hormone fed and some were colour enhancer fed. After the competition, I had the opportunity to discuss this subject with Dr. Sun, Andrew Soh, Colin Hang, Brandon Wu and Ivan Seah. All of them agreed that excessive amount of colour enhancers and hormone should not be fed to the fish BUT, they all believe that both colour enhancers and hormones CAN be used to reveal the real colour potential of the fish. Of course, nobody can really tell to which extend. We all agreed that the fish should not be coloured to the point where it looks artificial. However, some fish who got rewards on the Aqurama Show were so much enhanced that they were looking like they were made of plastic, including the Grand Champion. I talked to the owner of the fish Raymond and he told that he was using only natural ingredients in fish food to show the colour but even the fins were yellow which is a good indicator of heavily used articial colour enhancers.

This brings us to the point whether natural colour enhancers maybe used and artificial ones should not be used. I believe this should be the case. I don't believe that feeding paprika or spiriluna gives any harm to discus. However, it is not the case with artificial ones. All the articial enhancers which are beinig used on fish today were fist developed to be used on cage birds, especially canaries. Experiments made on canaries which were fed canthaxanthin in excessive amount showed that it causes liver and retina damage. On the bird products there is a warning on the label about this. However, most of the fish owners/breeders is unaware of this fact.

 

[JT.]

Not exactly. In some fish foods there is an excessive amount of color enhancers used, usually synthetic color enhancers such as Carophyll Pink, which will indeed cause an unnatural coloration of a fish when fed in excess. So much so that it can cause a fish that is naturally yellow, to turn orange, or a fish that is naturally pink, to turn red. This type of color enhancement is quite common in Asia, as are hormones, and IMO if your fish require that type of enhancement in order to look nice perhaps its time to be looking for a better quality fish.

Natural color enhancers used in the proper proportions will only enhance what the fish is genetically wired to produce. Synthetic color enhancers can artificially enhance a fish to the point that they no longer look anything like they would if/when those synthetic enhancers are removed from their diet. Pretty much the same effect as when a hormoned fish is taken off of hormones.

The problem is it is far cheaper for a manufacturer to jack up the color enhancing properties of their feed by simply adding a boat load of synthetic color enhancing agents such Carophyll Pink, etc, than by doing things the natural way. These are the same type of color enhancing agents used by the salmon industry, which is why a farm raised salmon has pink flesh, instead of a bland grey. (guess which ones the consumer choose to eat?)

It all depends on how much is added to the feed, you just have to pick a number from the slick little color chart & dial in what kind of unnatural color that you are seeking.

And just to show how common this type of artificial enhancement is in Asia .....

http://forum.bidka.org/showthread.php?t=3018&page=3

Excelent information.
Thanks for that!

 

[RiskEE]

but as in fish healt would it hurt them

 

[BIG_ONE]

Not exactly. In some fish foods there is an excessive amount of color enhancers used, usually synthetic color enhancers such as Carophyll Pink, which will indeed cause an unnatural coloration of a fish when fed in excess. So much so that it can cause a fish that is naturally yellow, to turn orange, or a fish that is naturally pink, to turn red. This type of color enhancement is quite common in Asia, as are hormones, and IMO if your fish require that type of enhancement in order to look nice perhaps its time to be looking for a better quality fish.

Natural color enhancers used in the proper proportions will only enhance what the fish is genetically wired to produce. Synthetic color enhancers can artificially enhance a fish to the point that they no longer look anything like they would if/when those synthetic enhancers are removed from their diet. Pretty much the same effect as when a hormoned fish is taken off of hormones.

The problem is it is far cheaper for a manufacturer to jack up the color enhancing properties of their feed by simply adding a boat load of synthetic color enhancing agents such Carophyll Pink, etc, than by doing things the natural way. These are the same type of color enhancing agents used by the salmon industry, which is why a farm raised salmon has pink flesh, instead of a bland grey. (guess which ones the consumer choose to eat?)

It all depends on how much is added to the feed, you just have to pick a number from the slick little color chart & dial in what kind of unnatural color that you are seeking.

Right, I understand your point of view. But I think I am not making myself clear here. What I meant is that GSR is meant for fish who have a natural red color. And if your red coloring is faded, feed GSR and it should promote it to be its maximum true color of its own. And yes, it stays like that permanently. But from what your saying is that bringing out fish color from pink to red or yellow to orange, yes I agree that it isn't their natural dominant color. If your fish has to eat certain food to stay at a certain coloring then the food either have color enhancers or your not feeding it for the right purpose. It really takes for anyone to understand your fish true color before you can start feeding GSR or whatever flowerhorn food is out there. Otherwise, it will seem like being a color enhancer and nothing but the marketing use for hobbyist out there only.
Now from what I remember in past, Grand Sumo and Ching Mix use to have steriods in them. Talking about when they first came out, anyone remember the CM SP 50? Or was it the SP 60? They contained steriods, and so does the early GS/GSR. And one of the main reason that I found why they use steriods because of the fish low fertility rate. Steriods was known to promote fertility rate for their fish, but bad for the fish itself. And in return, you get a higher fertility rate of the future generations. After they have seen that the fertility rate has risen, they cut off the steriods in their product. Correct me if I am wrong on here...

 

[RD.]

I think that some people are very naive as to what goes into certain pet food products that are manufactured in Asia.

 

[Gruff Master]

Very informative, RD! BTW what fish is that in your avatar?