Gravel or barebottom
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So far you have offered ZERO vaild reason to the advantage of gravel in the tank. All you have is the natural/ghetto argument, which is a preference rather than benefit. The BB in the gravel argument does not hold water because it's supplemental to the main filteration, and without it won't increase or decrease in the quality of water. And I don't want to get into the disadvantages of using UGF as it's not the topic in discussion.
That being said, I have a list of reasons to the disadvantage of gravel in the tank. Your attempt to discredit them with the basis of what? Your "35 years of experience"? That's pretty irrational, subjective, and bias. and It doesn't reflect the experience of the rest of monster tank fish keepers, it's again, your personal preference. Granted that a floor can either hold or not hold a tank, can you argue that the extra weight of the gravel in a huge tank won't contribute additional stress to the floor at all? It's simple physics. My personal experience with big catfish is that they constantly regurgitating the gravel in the tank. So your experience with your catfish is again, subjective. You even admit that it's easiler to clean, so scorp 1, wolf 0.
People need to know the advantage and disadvange reasons to make an informed decision. If people want to have blue gravel that goes with red background to avoid the gansta look, that's their perogative. But don't go around bashing, without merits, other people because they have legitimate reasons that contradict your "experience".
That being said, I have a list of reasons to the disadvantage of gravel in the tank. Your attempt to discredit them with the basis of what? Your "35 years of experience"? That's pretty irrational, subjective, and bias. and It doesn't reflect the experience of the rest of monster tank fish keepers, it's again, your personal preference. Granted that a floor can either hold or not hold a tank, can you argue that the extra weight of the gravel in a huge tank won't contribute additional stress to the floor at all? It's simple physics. My personal experience with big catfish is that they constantly regurgitating the gravel in the tank. So your experience with your catfish is again, subjective. You even admit that it's easiler to clean, so scorp 1, wolf 0.
People need to know the advantage and disadvange reasons to make an informed decision. If people want to have blue gravel that goes with red background to avoid the gansta look, that's their perogative. But don't go around bashing, without merits, other people because they have legitimate reasons that contradict your "experience".
Scorponok;1156391; said:The BB in the gravel argument does not hold water because it's supplemental to the main filteration, and without it won't increase or decrease in the quality of water.
That being said, I have a list of reasons to the disadvantage of gravel in the tank.
Your attempt to discredit them with the basis of what? Your "35 years of experience"?
You even admit that it's easiler to clean, so scorp 1, wolf 0.
I'm loving this.
A. You say BB in the gravel doesnt increase or decrese the quality of the water. Yes, it is supplemental to main filtration, But if your main filtration is chemical and mechanical, then BB in the gravel is VITAL to water quality, if you want your fish to live long. YOUR WRONG!
B. that being said, where the hell is your list of reasons to the disadvantages of gravel in the aquarium?
C. I highly doubt you have 35 years of experience being a fish keeper. I could be wrong. But, you should still listen to anybody with that much experience.
Lastly, This is a thread to explain the pros and cons of barebottom and gravel. Dont get personal with wolf, or try to compete by making "valid" points. nobody cares what the score is
I wasn't aware that it a compitition...but it's obvious that in your own childish way you view it as such.
From the very begining of this nonsence I stated that the reasons for my...and MANY other MFK'ers... preferance for having a substrait was visual. The rest was posted IN RESPONCE to your own immature efforts to make Bare bottom tanks seem cleaner...or a superior way to keep fish. This is NOT the case. Rather it's a personal preferance.
You went from one unlikly reason to another in an effort to prove your point and, once again, it was THIS I was responding to and nothing else.
I'll close this out with one of my favorite lines...
I am not responsable in any way shape or form for your lack of comprehention...
From the very begining of this nonsence I stated that the reasons for my...and MANY other MFK'ers... preferance for having a substrait was visual. The rest was posted IN RESPONCE to your own immature efforts to make Bare bottom tanks seem cleaner...or a superior way to keep fish. This is NOT the case. Rather it's a personal preferance.
You went from one unlikly reason to another in an effort to prove your point and, once again, it was THIS I was responding to and nothing else.
I'll close this out with one of my favorite lines...
I am not responsable in any way shape or form for your lack of comprehention...
Sturgeon;1156755; said:I'm loving this.
A. You say BB in the gravel doesnt increase or decrese the quality of the water. Yes, it is supplemental to main filtration, But if your main filtration is chemical and mechanical, then BB in the gravel is VITAL to water quality, if you want your fish to live long. YOUR WRONG!
B. that being said, where the hell is your list of reasons to the disadvantages of gravel in the aquarium?
C. I highly doubt you have 35 years of experience being a fish keeper. I could be wrong. But, you should still listen to anybody with that much experience.
Lastly, This is a thread to explain the pros and cons of barebottom and gravel. Dont get personal with wolf, or try to compete by making "valid" points. nobody cares what the score is
You should learn to read (page 1) before jumping into a discussion looking like a fool. And IF your main filtration doesn't have bio media you should go jump off a bridge for being an idiot. I don't mean you directly.
Wolf3101;1156789; said:I wasn't aware that it a compitition...but it's obvious that in your own childish way you view it as such.
From the very begining of this nonsence I stated that the reasons for my...and MANY other MFK'ers... preferance for having a substrait was visual. The rest was posted IN RESPONCE to your own immature efforts to make Bare bottom tanks seem cleaner...or a superior way to keep fish. This is NOT the case. Rather it's a personal preferance.
You went from one unlikly reason to another in an effort to prove your point and, once again, it was THIS I was responding to and nothing else.
I'll close this out with one of my favorite lines...
I am not responsable in any way shape or form for your lack of comprehention...
ZERO content in refuting my points. Nothing but personal attacks. But don't take my words for it, just ask the PRO,
http://www.enchanteddiscus.com/gravelsub.htm
http://www.webrbiz.com/angelfish/tankware.html
i want to go with a tile flooring for my largest tank. i saw a picture here from someone who had a bunch of those bichirs with tile flooring and it looked real nice.
ThePBM, tile flooring in a tank is a great idea. make sure to use silicone to secure the tiles, I dont think grout is safe for aquariums.
Scorponok, linking to 2 websites about barebottom breeder tanks doesnt do this thread much justice. discus and angels are not monsters, and since this thread is in setup and filtration and not breeding, your links dont carry much justification to your argument. if you read what I said earlier in this thread, hospital tanks and breeders usually are barebottom, because they are temporary. but for a person with a monster fish who is showing it off, there is usually some sort of substrate.
Scorponok, linking to 2 websites about barebottom breeder tanks doesnt do this thread much justice. discus and angels are not monsters, and since this thread is in setup and filtration and not breeding, your links dont carry much justification to your argument. if you read what I said earlier in this thread, hospital tanks and breeders usually are barebottom, because they are temporary. but for a person with a monster fish who is showing it off, there is usually some sort of substrate.
oh please, use your logic. bigger fish crap more. but forget you, I have got bigger fish to fry. lol
My 180g grow out tank has 2 XP3s, AC110, and a Seio 1500, there are 6 P-bass about 5-7 inches, 3 Australian Aros (4-6inches), 4 Lap Birchers, 1 Ornate, large suncat, wolf-fish, and orange pike. Tank is bare bottom, I painted the bottom black and background is a dark blue, I rarely have to vac anything because the Seio pushes all the waste into the intakes of the three filters. Only thing I have to do is large water changes every week.
Another option to you is instead of painting the bottom of your tank black, you can get spray paint that looks like sand. I have seen a picture of this on a small tank and it looked pretty good. With this you have the appearance of sand, but the ease of bare bottom.
I also have a 300gal with about 300lbs of PFS, with a undergralel/sand jet system, which keeps a majority of waste off the sand and into the filter pads.
Another option to you is instead of painting the bottom of your tank black, you can get spray paint that looks like sand. I have seen a picture of this on a small tank and it looked pretty good. With this you have the appearance of sand, but the ease of bare bottom.
I also have a 300gal with about 300lbs of PFS, with a undergralel/sand jet system, which keeps a majority of waste off the sand and into the filter pads.
