Green Terror or what?

[pcfriedrich]

http://www.thewatersnake.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=525&view=findpost&p=16751

I think that comparing two different species that have the same (and incorrect) common name and saying they're the same species is a little broad. Any experienced SA fish keeper can easily pick a true GT from a Gold Saum.

exactly. I can tell the difference between a silver saum, a gold saum and a true green terror. just like a trained cat biologist could tell the difference between a puma, cougar, and panther. but they are all subspecies of the same species.

you say "experienced fish keeper", my question is, what are the biologists writing the books saying?

I'm looking up latin, here's what the taxonomic classification of silver saum should be (or something like it): Aequidens labrumargentum (that's the best I could do, but labrumargentum is latin for "silver edge"

anyway, until there is a true scientific classification for the saums. i.e. a genus and species, both in latin, they are considered by the scientific community to be variations of the same species.

I'm going to school for freshwater ecology, focusing on the everglades. maybe I'll change my focus to come up with a definitive, scientific answer.

I'm not in any way arguing that they are all the same fish. but apparently, the scientific community isn't keeping up with the aquarist culture.

 

[japes]

I know you know the difference, but in the Ae. classifications current state, these fish are not rivulatus, they're different species.

I'm not in any way arguing that they are all the same fish. but apparently, the scientific community isn't keeping up with the aquarist culture.

A quick look at the Cichlasoma genus, especially exCichlasoma pretty much assures us of that

 

[darth pike]

Actually, the correct genus name right now is "Aequidens" as the genus was redefined, and none of the blue acara group (which includes the various described and undescribed green terror species) are described as Aequidens anymore. But since they family that includes blue acaras and green terrors has yet to be scientifically described, you can either put an ex in front of it or parenthaces, but according to the biologists, the " " are more scientificly accurate.

That is if we all want to be nice and technically scientific and all.

PS - I was an english major in school, hence the disturbing lack of correct spelling.

 

[japes]

you can either put an ex in front of it or parenthaces, but according to the biologists, the " " are more scientificly accurate.

That is if we all want to be nice and technically scientific and all.

PS - I was an english major in school, hence the disturbing lack of correct spelling.

Well actually, it's apostrophe's. 'Aequidens', just to be a real bastard!

..or perhaps both are correct.

 

[darth pike]

Ack!! You are quite right. I feel as silly as someone stating that all undrescibed fish are, until described, actually listed as completely differant fish species!!!

 

[djlancer88]

wooow what an awesome debate, lol. At the end of it all. After seeing all the different species, types, etc. whatever you mad men would like to call it. I still favor the gold saum(looks wise) that is. anyone agree with me, what do you prefer?

 

[pcfriedrich]

wooow what an awesome debate, lol. At the end of it all. After seeing all the different species, types, etc. whatever you mad men would like to call it. I still favor the gold saum(looks wise) that is. anyone agree with me, what do you prefer?

I gotta say, out of all the "GTs", I prefer the gold saum.

"common fish" (GTs, JDs, Os...) are popular for a reason.

 

[---XR---]

I gotta say, out of all the "GTs", I prefer the gold saum.

"common fish" (GTs, JDs, Os...) are popular for a reason.

Of course there is a reason-

AVAILABILITY- whatever is avalible to the common pet store trade is what will sell well. TGT's are almost never seen in the hobby.

fish such as platinum barra's or aimara, may not be considered popular, but then again, how many do you see floating around in stores like petsmart.

 

[ESPMike]

This thread is another perfect example of what a disaster this genus is. Hopefully one day someone will clear up this genus and give a proper classification to each of these species. In the mean time it is a Green Terror by the common name definition. As has been covered 3 species/variants are referred to as Green Terror, but this is definitely the most common of those three the Gold Saum.

 

[spence ya digg]

no, gold saum
aka false green terror