So as I've come to understand it, these are 2 different fish that look, more or less, the same. So my question is, for the information of myself and other, for putting them in a tank, which goes with what better? And the more self centered version; which would go better with what I have? (I have Jack Dempsey's, EBJDs and a Bleekeri)
Green Terror vs Gold Saum
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One has a bit of orange one has silver aIso one might have more scales or something. Same fish really same temperament and habits. They both grow really slow and are shy as juvies don't really start showing attitude until they get bigger. You forgot the most important piece of info concerning adding tank mates....How big is your tank?
Not totally sure here but if the Bleekeri is the same as a Polleni your Jack Dempsey could be in trouble. Maybe not now but when the Polleni get older they hate any fish that is black with light colored spots.
I think the green Terror and Gold saum are the same fish and the Siver saum is the true green Terror. Not exactly sure on this but I think that is the way it goes. We have never owned a adult Green Rerror but the ones we have had up to 5 inches were not that bad.
I think the green Terror and Gold saum are the same fish and the Siver saum is the true green Terror. Not exactly sure on this but I think that is the way it goes. We have never owned a adult Green Rerror but the ones we have had up to 5 inches were not that bad.
Maybe I should have used the term "true green terror" but no, apparently they are different scientifically. And to address your other point, It's not an issue now, I have a bigger tank coming in the future, my jacks are more tan than the darker color you see some times and fish that are introduced young typically have less of a chance of having problems getting along later.
Just reread what you said and a Bleekeri is very similar to a Polleni in the way it looks. They are both paratilapia but I haven't been able to obtain any real specific differences.
Just reread what you said and a Bleekeri is very similar to a Polleni in the way it looks. They are both paratilapia but I haven't been able to obtain any real specific differences.
Basically, there's a green terror from Ecaudor (A. rivulatus), the one you commonly see and which can have either gold (to orange or reddish) fin edges or white fin edges and a green terror from Peru (A. stalsbergi) which is much more rare in the hobby. Rivulatus (the common one) has the dark spots in the scale centers, stalsbergi (the rare one) have the light scale centers and dark scale edges, not difficult to distinguish once you recognize this difference. Opinions differ on whether the white edge and gold edged rivulatus are the same fish, are simply different color morph populations of the same fish, or should be classified as different fish. Officially, they're classified as the same species for now (rivulatus).
Essentially, "green terror" is a nickname that applies to either species of Andinoacara (former Aeuquidens). Some people insist there is a "true" green terror and a "false" green terror, but this is something of a contrived hobbyist argument without much scientific relevance. The real question among experts over the years was which was the true rivulatus, some older books and articles saying what is now stalsbergi was the true rivulatus, which turned out to be opposite current classification.
That's the short and simple version. For a more detailed explanation and history here's an article by biologist and cichlid writer Wayne Leibel. Amusingly (or confusingly), Wayne's article refers to a 1982 German article, The Green Terror That Isn't, that talks about a fish the author thought was rivulatus, but which we now know to be stalsbergi, that was different from what at the time was considered the 'true' green terror. In other words, in the German article, the "false" green terror was what some people now insist is the "true" green terror.
You can see why it gets confusing. Again, to sum up, there's the common fish, A. rivulatus from Ecaudor, which can have either white or gold edged fins and has the dark spots in the center of its scales. There's the rarer fish, A. stalsbergi, from Peru, with white fin edges, light scale centers and dark scale edges. And either one can be and has been called green terror.
Essentially, "green terror" is a nickname that applies to either species of Andinoacara (former Aeuquidens). Some people insist there is a "true" green terror and a "false" green terror, but this is something of a contrived hobbyist argument without much scientific relevance. The real question among experts over the years was which was the true rivulatus, some older books and articles saying what is now stalsbergi was the true rivulatus, which turned out to be opposite current classification.
That's the short and simple version. For a more detailed explanation and history here's an article by biologist and cichlid writer Wayne Leibel. Amusingly (or confusingly), Wayne's article refers to a 1982 German article, The Green Terror That Isn't, that talks about a fish the author thought was rivulatus, but which we now know to be stalsbergi, that was different from what at the time was considered the 'true' green terror. In other words, in the German article, the "false" green terror was what some people now insist is the "true" green terror.
You can see why it gets confusing. Again, to sum up, there's the common fish, A. rivulatus from Ecaudor, which can have either white or gold edged fins and has the dark spots in the center of its scales. There's the rarer fish, A. stalsbergi, from Peru, with white fin edges, light scale centers and dark scale edges. And either one can be and has been called green terror.
Ahh. My answer to that would be imo people think stalsbergi are more aggressive primarily because theirs are generally wild (or generations close to wild). I haven't had stalsbergi, but I've had wild rivulatus, and they've been downright nasty, really nasty, whether to each other or just about any other fish, even when just 2-3 inches, not to mention full grown. So, inherently as a species, I doubt stalsbergi are more aggressive, but domestic rivulatus are generally comparatively good citizens ime (with the common cichlid qualifications of spawning pairs, individuals can vary etc.) and the domestic rivulatus are what most people are comparing to their stalsbergi (hope that makes sense).