they say it gets about 6 inchs, and has the temperment like the Ctenochromis horei , i found two places that have them for sale, one has wild adults for 40 some, and the other has 3 inch juv, for ten bucks, im thinking of getting some, and putting them with some of my Ctenochromis horei,and some Altolamprologus calvus (Chaitika), or black calvus, with white sand substrate, and red lava rocks, what do you think?