GTP Enclosures

[Miguel]

I thought that was the hormonal blue aru without really looking properly! All the photos of various chondros and you missed this beautys portrait shot out! Shame!

hehe

As told, this onogenic blue Numfor is not mine.

Bluwise, I only have the hormonal Aru

 

[davo]

does it have a green head... can't make it out in the pic. Do you have a close up pic of it?

 

[Miguel]

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369213


it is in this thread

 

[coura]

OWESAME ENCLOSURES Can somebody please explain me the "hormonal" vrs "ontogenic" blue thing? Never quite understood it, the ontogenic I suposse are a rarer natural morph of the GTP like you get blue green igs or blue green water dragons, but what about the hormonal ones?

 

[Joao M]

OWESAME ENCLOSURES Can somebody please explain me the "hormonal" vrs "ontogenic" blue thing? Never quite understood it, the ontogenic I suposse are a rarer natural morph of the GTP like you get blue green igs or blue green water dragons, but what about the hormonal ones?

Here you go:

"Hormonal blue" - When some females from some localities (or races if you prefer) develop follicles or ovulate (depending on the individual), they eliminate the xanthophores (spelling?), that is the yellow pigments. As a consequence, the green becomes blue (Green - Yellow = Blue) and the yellow becomes white. Usually, a couple of months after the egg deposition, of if the follicles are reabsorbed (in this event, they don´t ovulate) they go back to normal.
After 3 or 4 pregancies, some females remain blue for the rest of their lives. Others don´t.
It is not an inheritable trait, although the daugthers of hormonal blue females are more prone to become hormonal blue as well.
This occurance happens more frequently with females from the Aru Island but also with some mainland localities (Sorong, Jayapura, Manowari, Cyclops Moutains, etc) and, to some extend (more grey than blue) with Biaks.

"Ontogenic blue"- It is an inheritable trait thus ocurring with males and females. The GTP´s simply become "BTG"...
Blue GTP´s may be "true blue" or "super blue":
a)true blue - they go from maroon/red/brown (there are no records of blue snakes coming from yellow neonates so far) to green and later from green to blue.
b) super blue: they go directly from maroon/red/brown to blue without a "green fase". These are - obvisouly - the more sought after because they have an extremely high possibilty of only having blue kids.

Hope this clarifies

Regards
Joao

 

[Miguel]

wellcome to the discussion João, oh most learned GTP keeper!!

 

[Joao M]

My pleasure, oh FH fish guru (eheheh)

In MFK, only on this and on the SW (sub)forums I don´t feel completely noob...but I still have a few years ahead of me (hopefully), so I´ll learn.

 

[coura]

Here you go:

"Hormonal blue" - When some females from some localities (or races if you prefer) develop follicles or ovulate (depending on the individual), they eliminate the xanthophores (spelling?), that is the yellow pigments. As a consequence, the green becomes blue (Green - Yellow = Blue) and the yellow becomes white. Usually, a couple of months after the egg deposition, of if the follicles are reabsorbed (in this event, they don´t ovulate) they go back to normal.
After 3 or 4 pregancies, some females remain blue for the rest of their lives. Others don´t.
It is not an inheritable trait, although the daugthers of hormonal blue females are more prone to become hormonal blue as well.
This occurance happens more frequently with females from the Aru Island but also with some mainland localities (Sorong, Jayapura, Manowari, Cyclops Moutains, etc) and, to some extend (more grey than blue) with Biaks.

"Ontogenic blue"- It is an inheritable trait thus ocurring with males and females. The GTP´s simply become "BTG"...
Blue GTP´s may be "true blue" or "super blue":
a)true blue - they go from maroon/red/brown (there are no records of blue snakes coming from yellow neonates so far) to green and later from green to blue.
b) super blue: they go directly from maroon/red/brown to blue without a "green fase". These are - obvisouly - the more sought after because they have an extremely high possibilty of only having blue kids.

Hope this clarifies

Regards
Joao

Im clarifyed, thanks for explaining