H. scomberoides sudden death

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Jack Dempsey
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I read several topics about the sudden death of H. Scomberoides after about 2 years in the aquarium.
Currently this still happens for no apparent reason? What speculations exist?
The only Hydrolycus that got in my country is scomb, this is frustrating ..... :cry:
 
wow! I thought you south americans can easily catch your local fish! Are armatus and tats native?
 
Yes, they're native, the one who is on the list of permission is the tat, but I do not know why only the scombs appear for sale....
 
I always say that a lot can happen in two years in an aquarium. Most people who get armatus and tats seem to kill or get rid of them them before they live two years anyway. Scombs are good, personable fish that can live a very long time in a reasonable sized aquarium, unlike so many of the other 'silver tooth fish'. If you get a four incher now and keep it in flawless water, it'll last at least two years for you. If you keep it in bad water, yes, you'll kill it. However, the same bad water that would kill the scomb would kill the other types of payara as well.

I feel scombs are very underrated fish that don't get the credit they're due.
 
Thanks man, their considerations are very important.
Why do you think they (scombs) are both discredited?

Because of this sudden death BS.

My theory on the sudden death thing is that because scombs are the cheapest, they are the most likely to be bought by inexperienced keepers. An armatus or tatauaia will normally cost about $200 usd in today's market and a scomberoides will be about $50. This means that if you know enough to be willing to spend the extra money on a tat or armatus, you're likely to know the right way to take care of it.

If you don't know how to maintain perfect water or how to cater to the specialized needs of this fish, you're going to kill your payara, regardless of what species you get. Because of this, I personally feel that scombs are a victim of both their price and availability. Its fairly well known, and it is documented in the "armatus identification thread" that ALL species of payara need flawless water and some current.

In short, because they're the cheapest and most readily available, I feel that scombs are the type most likely to be killed by an inexperienced keeper. There are a whole bunch of scombs that live a long, healthy life in the hands of experienced keepers. The issue we run into is that because scombs are fairly common and not an 'elite' fish, we don't hear much about the successfully kept individuals, because there's nothing to brag about in keeping one.

I don't know. I may be wrong, but that's just my opinion on the subject. Hell, when I first got into fishkeeping, I killed a scomb by not understanding what it needed as far as care is concerned too. :/
 
Because of this sudden death BS.

My theory on the sudden death thing is that because scombs are the cheapest, they are the most likely to be bought by inexperienced keepers. An armatus or tatauaia will normally cost about $200 usd in today's market and a scomberoides will be about $50. This means that if you know enough to be willing to spend the extra money on a tat or armatus, you're likely to know the right way to take care of it.

If you don't know how to maintain perfect water or how to cater to the specialized needs of this fish, you're going to kill your payara, regardless of what species you get. Because of this, I personally feel that scombs are a victim of both their price and availability. Its fairly well known, and it is documented in the "armatus identification thread" that ALL species of payara need flawless water and some current.

In short, because they're the cheapest and most readily available, I feel that scombs are the type most likely to be killed by an inexperienced keeper. There are a whole bunch of scombs that live a long, healthy life in the hands of experienced keepers. The issue we run into is that because scombs are fairly common and not an 'elite' fish, we don't hear much about the successfully kept individuals, because there's nothing to brag about in keeping one.

I don't know. I may be wrong, but that's just my opinion on the subject. Hell, when I first got into fishkeeping, I killed a scomb by not understanding what it needed as far as care is concerned too. :/

Sounds pretty on the ball. Scombs definatly don't get the credit they diserve.

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I think they all die for no reason.....

If they don't there should be countless 2' ++++ Armatus floating around, they've been mass imported for several years and we all know how fast they grow, but there isn't.

Either diet or water quality is wrong. Something is, or they all wouldn't die for no reason.
 
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