Hard facts supporting aquarium piranhas?

  • We are currently upgrading MFK. thanks! -neo
sending a letter to your governor would be ok, but i would start by sending letters to your local representatives, they are much easier to start a dialogue with. they also like to attach their names to things that may get them some attention, so they are a bit more willing to listen to their constituents. in fact, you could send out copies to just about everyone in your local/state government and see who responds.

if you really want to attempt to make a change, talk to frank over at opefe.com and ask him for advice on how to approach the issue, he has a lot of experience in that department.
 
i would also rewrite basically the entire letter... to be taken seriously, you are going to have to state facts and be able to back them up with real data or at the minimum, scientific theories... citing web forums or an "anonymous Piranha owner" as your source of info doesn't lend much credibility to your cause.
 
I was looking for input on facts and such, I was having a hard time finding any, however so much of this issue is based on common sense. I think my quoted wanted to remain anonymous. I was going to send this in hard copy form to the governor and my representative, as well as via email. Who else would you recommend I send it to?
 
Hi.


I am not saying I am negative but I think you can write as many tellers as you like to your representatives or governor I just don't think they would give a damn about it. They do not even read them at all.......
 
I think you'll need more than just one letter to change the law in anyway. see if you can get more people in CT and they all join you on this, then maybe...just maybe, they'll take you a little serious if you have enough people.
 
Kengel;3473214; said:
I was looking for input on facts and such, I was having a hard time finding any, however so much of this issue is based on common sense. I think my quoted wanted to remain anonymous. I was going to send this in hard copy form to the governor and my representative, as well as via email. Who else would you recommend I send it to?
send it to everyone that you can, someone's gotta start the ball rolling.... it definitely needs to be rewritten before you send it out, not trying to sound like a jerk, but there is no way that letter would be taken seriously.

i think the best way for you to start the process would be to own some for yourself first so you have some firsthand knowledge because most of the stuff you said is just way off base. another thing to keep in mind is that those bans are in place because of the damage that the animals could do to the ecosystem if they were to be introduced into the wild as a non native species (even tho they may not pose much of a threat), not because they are afraid that hobbyists are going to get bit by their pets.
 
JoeDizzleMPLS;3473987; said:
another thing to keep in mind is that those bans are in place because of the damage that the animals could do to the ecosystem if they were to be introduced into the wild as a non native species (even tho they may not pose much of a threat), not because they are afraid that hobbyists are going to get bit by their pets.

I think they know that. That is why they included all the info in the letter about how they couldn't survive for very long let alone reporduce and threaten the ecosystem.

Kengel, I don't think your letter is bad at all. Good for you to actually take a stand for what you believe in and try to make a difference insead of just complaining about it! I do agree with some others that more hard facts would help your case though. I do think you should leave your anonymous owner in though because it makes it more personal. Personal experience paired with tested facts are the best for arguing.
If you can't find any facts on the personality of the fish than maybe you could include facts on their natural habitat to acturately show they couldn't survive/breed there.
Maybe you could also use facts about this and other animals natural habitats to discredit the law itself and show that it was just put in place to make people feel better because of the chimp incident and not because it's necessary.
I also think a petition would be helpful. People are taken more seriously when when they are in large numbers.
Lastly I would send it to every congress man, representative, or governer you can find in your area. Don't stop with just one!

Good luck!
 
Lol, I get to write a letter to Chris Dodd not complaining about banks, if he reads it that'll make his day. To those saying they won't read it, they will or they won't, Connecticut isn't exactly a big place. I know I need more facts and figures in here, that's why I'm posting asking for them. Thanks for the support Lissaspence, I'll get some more envelopes :).
 
Kengel;3472287; said:
I know there may be some grammatical problems, I'll smooth them over with the editor tomorrow. Any feedback and suggestions are more than welcome.





Dear Governor Rell,

I’m writing this letter to you to express my extreme discontent as a resident of Roxbury, Connecticut, with the current carpet ban on exotic pets, particularly the Red Bellied Piranha (Pygocentrus natteren). The state statute 26-55-1 states “The importation or possession of piranha of the subfamily: Serrasalminae, genera Serrasalmus, Serrasalmo, Pygocentrus, Teddyella, Roosevetiella, and Pygopristus is prohibited - discretionary permit issued by Commissioner.” This statute bars fish enthusiasts from enjoying a captivating breed of fish which cause no harm to fish owners or the eco-system.

Should, for any reason, Red Bellied Piranhas make it into the Connecticut waterways, they wouldn’t survive for long enough to pose as a threat, as they have very specific living conditions that wouldn’t be met in cold New England waters. To survive, Red Bellied Piranhas need a consistent water temperature of near 80 degrees Fahrenheit, which would rarely, if never be obtained in the hottest days of summer, and couldn’t possibly be up kept year round. A species can’t thrive if it can only sustain itself for a few days over the summer. Furthermore, according to Piranha-info.com, for Piranhas to reproduce, the water conditions need to be absolutely perfect, such as their natural habitat, the waterways of South America. These conditions would be nigh impossible to achieve in Connecticut. -- I would reword this section and keep it simple, state that piranhas can survive at a lower temperature than 80 f, but they wouldn't be able to thrive and Connecticut rivers and lakes wouldn't be able to support breeding populations, therefore, if they were to be released, they would only survive til late fall when the water temps drop. I would reference a more reputable site, such as opefe.com for information like this.

You could also talk about the actual effect they would have if they were to be released... since it would be unlikely that a huge population would be released at one time, the more realistic scenario would be the rare occurence of someone dumping a small number of fish... in a small group, they would most likely be preyed upon by larger fish and birds and wouldn't get the chance to do any damage to local wildlife populations.


Unlike some exotic pets that should be banned, Red Bellied Piranhas pose little or no threat to their owners. Piranhas in aquariums are very docile some owners are disappointed in their skittishness. Also, Piranha owners have very little reason to put their hands in the tank, aside from occasional water changes,--not exactly true, most people that are new to the hobby try to avoid putting their hands in the tank, but after a short amount of time, they realize that it isn't as dangerous as they thought and, while still exercising caution, have no reservations about sticking their hands in the water to rearrange plants and decorations-- which can be done with one’s hands outside of the water. I was told from an anonymous Piranha owner that "For the 5 years I have kept Red Belly Piranhas I have never seen aggression to the extent people express. They tend to be extremely skittish and spend most time hiding. Even during feeding they show extreme caution in attacks and generally take several minuets to eat the food." Many other sources, including long time Red Belly owners from leading online websites such as MonsterFishKeepers and Piranha-cove.com report their Piranhas to be more aggressive only when they haven’t been fed for multiple days and are incredibly hungry. However the worst injury my previously quoted 5 year Piranha veteran correspondent has suffered were playful nibbles --never heard of "playful nibbles" from piranhas... while bites from piranhas is pretty rare in the hobby, they do happen. Most piranhas will hide in the corner during tank maintenance tho. Also in a poll on Piranha-fury.com, over 1000 users agreed the most aggressive Piranha is a hungry one, so if fish Piranha users keep their fish fed, they will be in even less danger --this is pretty misleading, that's just kind of a joke poll, so i would just leave out this info. i haven't seen any difference in behavior towards me from a hungry fish as opposed to a fish that has just been fed. They may respond differently to food, but by not feeding for a few days, i don't see a piranha deciding to attack a hobbyist's hand when it enters the tank. Aggressiveness due to lack of food isn’t unique to Piranhas either, my cat or dog would try to find their own food if I starved them. Frank over at opefe.com put his hand in a piranha tank in front of news cameras to show that they weren't as bloodthirsty as the media made them out to be, that would be a good story to reference.... like i said before, he is the guy to talk to on this subject because he has actually helped change the laws that outlawed piranhas in the past.

I hope you’ll be able to see now how the ban on Red Bellied Piranhas is a needless part of a necessary ban on some animals. I’ll be tirelessly awaiting your reply to this plea for a change in statute.

Your Best,
Kevin Engel

hope that helps a bit
 
MonsterFishKeepers.com