Have internet forums made people lazy?

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David R

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Firstly let me say that MFK is an amazing community with a wealth of great information and great minds. One only has to browse the DIY forums to see the kind of ingenuity people have, pushing the boundries of the hobbby and coming up with new and different ideas. Not only that, but the way in which these ideas are instantly shared globally and proliferated is fantastic, I often wonder how different it would have been for me had such a resource been available when I started keeping fish in the pre-internet days when advice came from books and the LFS. I remember being blown away as a teenager when I first searched for "tropical fish" (I didn't 'Google' it either, think it was probably AltaVista) and found there were other people who liked fish on the net!



but...........



I have noticed over the years, as well as an increase in the knowledge and techical discussions, an increase in posts of people asking to be spoon-fed the most basic information. "Can I keep an oscar in a 50g tank", "how do I make a sump", "tell me everything I need to set up a tank" etc etc etc. Obviously there is nothing wrong with asking questions, that is what the forum is for right, but when does a forum cease to become a technical resource for people to research and learn from and just become a help-desk 'tell me how to fix my problem' type thing? It seems that having such a wealth of knowledgeable people willing to answer questions and discuss problems has (at least for some) eliminated the need to take it upon yourself to solve your own problem.

The main reason I see a problem with this is because it creates a lack of understanding. You can tell someone to wait when setting up a new tank and then slowly add fish, but if they have no idea about the nitrogen cycle and biological filtration then it will certainly lead to problems down the line. That is exactly what happened to me in my early days of fish keeping, after being told by the guy at the LFS to wait and add fish slowly I had success for quite some time, until I moved the tank, pulled it to bits and cleaned everything, and replaced the UGF with an internal all at once! After losing most of my fish and battling cloudy water I bought a good book and read it cover to cover and realised exactly what I'd done. With more technical subjects like designing sumps or setting up high-tech planted or reef tanks the need to understand WHY and HOW rather than just what to do is even more important, and relying on what you've been told by others instead of actually learning and understanding yourself doesn't usually achieve that. I see these posts and can't help but think "if you can't be bothered spending a bit of time searching and reading and learning then this really isn't the right hobby for you".


Please don't mistake this post for newbie-bashing or anything like that. I'm always trying to encourage people into the hobby, but think it is also vital to help them realise that learning is an important part of the hobby if one is to be successful at it.


So, discuss. Have we as people of the internet age become so reliant on being told everything we're losing the ability to research and learn for ourselves, or am I just getting grumpy old buggers syndrome at the grand old age of 31...
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the need to understand WHY and HOW rather than just what to do

Interesting topic. Yes, people have gotten lazy. Thanks to the internet in general though. Not just forums. But you hit the nail on the head with that line above ^ Why vs how. But I guess it all depends on how interested or passionate you are about a certain thing. Same goes for any hobby. Or 'thing'.

Cars for example is a good one. It's amazing how many people don't know squat about their cars. Not even the basics. Me on the other hand and my OCD, I need to know everything about it, how it works and why it works. Especially the OBDII diagnostics. With a handheld scanner and a service manual I can fix anything on the car, unless I don't feel like taking it apart. That's a different issue all together :nilly:
 
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Very well put. I agree 100%. I started with SA/CA cichlids and had to go to the library. WHAT? Yes books. Lots of books. Of course the lfs was helpful but after all was trying to sell. The hard lessons are the ones that stick.


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I largely agree that forums have become somewhat of a help desk. I hate to bring my tank problems to a thread, because I know if I do a little searching I will find an answer to all of my questions. I've also had a few recent debates with several people. Who were unable to substantiate their claims. folks want to be spoonfed nowadays. Not very many are interested in doing research for themselves. Even when it comes to something they believe in. They want to form opinions based on what another member shares... I'm not just talking about fish... Across the board, I have to agree people have gotten lazy. There are 2 catagories of people that frequent most forums... No need to elaborate any further.
 
I THINK a lot of it has to do with bad explanations...the guy at the lfs(or anywhere )should know that telling somebody why something works is more important than how something works....if you follow my thinking....
 
I think that the Internet has made some people lazy, but even at the young age of 13 I have bought several books on fish, have gone to the library countless times to find information, and also occasionally used google.


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While I do google before I ask, a staffed help desk so to speak is better then just text on a screen or in a book, here people can ask for experiences and things. I do agree with you thought some of the stupid questions dont need to be made into a thread.

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