heiko bleher claims flowerhorns are not hybrids

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FYI - Heiko Bleher made a name for himself in the fish biz before most of the members here had made it to their first pair of diapers. :)

Having said that, he's rather shameless when it comes to the promoting of his books, as though all other info surrounding matters of fish are almost worthless. Nevertheless, he has done more in the field with discus than any other person on the planet, so I give him props for that.


If you keep reading the original thread, he is only claiming to have introduced the first flowerhorns from wild mutations back in the 80's. This is an entirely different claim than this thread suggested at the outset.
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Agreed, even more so all he possibly did was supply a single species of fish (C. umbriferum), which was then crossed multiple times with multiple other species over the years. I understand exactly what he is saying though, he doesn't consider FH true hybrids as according to him the initial fish used in breeding FH were not true species. (in his mind they were mutants) At least I think that's what he's saying?

Also, while some people consider FH 90's fish, I suspect that they were being worked on in private for many years before anything was released for public viewing, or sale. It's not like anyone here can dispute what he's saying, as I doubt that anyone here knows the exact breeder & timeline of when the first FH was released for sale.

Either way, it was funny to see Heiko posting that info, so thanks to the OP for the read! :)
 
He is trying to say that there is no Trimac in them tho, that is a crazy statement!
 
Obviously Heiko doesn't have clue one as to what any of the various FH strains currently are made up of. So he gave a guy in Taiwan a fish or two back in the 80's, which may or may not have made up part of the original genetics of the original strain of FH in Taiwan, big deal.

Personally I just think that it's funny that Heiko would even associate his fish pureness name with a filthy hybrid mutant such as a FH. :D
 
^ he never said that tho, he said 'Flowerhorns are not Hybrids' and some members posted up some ZZ's that were very Trimac like and he said one of them was almost exactly the same as the original.

He seems to be the first person to state they are Umbees when Flowerhorns look and act completely Amphilophus from my short time of owning one...So if there is Umbee in them, its about 1% because nothing about them is umbee.
 
I realize what Heiko said, but I think that it can be interpreted a number of ways. I agree with you though, if there was umbee in the mix way back when, it certainly isn't much (if any) now.
 
I think Heikos a troll lol :P

Just by the fact he can't tell the difference between a Umbee and a Trimac or ZZ.
 
Nah, Heiko's no troll, he just gets to thinking that he's a legend in his own mind at times. ;)

The guy has been & done what most people can only dream about, so I wouldn't totally discount what he has to say on any subject that's fish related. He may in fact have supplied some fish to a breeder in Taiwan back in the 80's, but after that I think it may be a bit of a blur as to what that breeder added to the mix over the years. Certainly IF there was any umbee in the original mix, it was washed out a very long time ago.
 
No I meant that the guy in the Forum is a troll using his name.
 
I just had a look at his comments in his member profile.
That is with 100% certainty, the one, the only .... Heiko Bleher. :D
 
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