Now you see why I am going crazy. I contacted the breeder and he has been very helpfull in trying to help me out and figure out whats going on, as these fish did come from him. He has 20 from the same batch left, the rest he sold. The ones he still has are fine and he hasn't lost one so he is confused as well. He talked to some people he knows but no one he knew could figure it out either. I thinking it is frontosa specific because my other fish are unaffected it seems. The frontosas look perfectly fine and eat fine and everything, nothing looks wrong. It baffles me. I think I am at the point of tearing down my tank and re starting it to get that water and whatever it is out of that tank. I will move the cyp and syno to a smaller tank temporaraily and move the fronts that are left if there are any left on tuesday to a quarintine tank. I will hopefully be able to start over once the big tank is set up again. I plan to try it again and get more but I dont want to put them in the same water in case they get whatever it is from the fronts I have now Id rather just re do it fresh and keep the ones I do have out of that tank and see how they do. I dont think there is anything else I can do. Maybe disect a dead one and see if I find anything.