Help for heating 450G in Garage in PA

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heat exchanger is the only way to go

This is definitely true if you heat your water with natural gas.
If you heat with propane (as I do) this is not quite so clear-cut, as propane costs have increased dramatically over the last few years and also vary considerably over time.
If you heat your water with an electric hot water heater a heat exchanger is actually going to be less efficient than submersible aquarium heater.
 
It's tough to pinpoint heating requirements since there are so many variables, but I'll take a stab at it. As others have mentioned, insulation is key. You should definitely have covers/lids, otherwise you will lose a ton of heat out the top of the tank. I would also use rigid insulation underneath, on the sides and the back panel of the tank. I am using this stuff from Home Depot: http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc...splay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=rigid insulation&storeId=10051

Play around with this calculator:http://www.hamzasreef.com/Contents/Calculators/HeaterChillerSizing.php
I have found that it's fairly accurate... although maybe a little bit aggressive (I think it actually overstates the wattage required by a little bit). If you play around with the calculator, you'll see that acrylic tanks retain heat much better than glass, insulating the tank makes a huge difference and that the wattage required increases dramatically the colder the room temps get.

Depending on how large your garage is, I think you will find that having that much warm water will actually raise the ambient air temperature (if your garage is insulated)...this is something the calculator does not take into consideration. So insulating your garage will also help keep the heat in- obviously, the heaters will cycle on much less frequently if the air temps around the tank are kept higher.

You're in a more severe climate than me, but I'll share my stats with you to give you an idea of how much juice it takes to heat my tank. The tank is located in a fully insulated, but unheated room detached from my house (think shed in the backyard). The average temps in my area are Lows of 39F and highs of 60F for the month of February (it's slightly colder in Dec and Jan).

My tank: 770G
Wattage: 1,800
Average room temp:~60F
Monthly KWHrs used to heat tank to 78F: 200KWHrs

My electric rates are $0.30 per KWHr, so multiply 200KWHrs by $0.30 to get $60 to heat the tank in February.

It gets a lot uglier (more expensive) if your air temps are drastically different than your desired water temps. I'm only raising the water 18F over the average air temperature and I'm still using 200KWHRs per month....if you are looking at heating water to 78 or 80 when the air temps are at or near freezing, that's going to require quite a bit of electricity. But I pay some of the highest rates in the nation, so if you are lucky and are only paying $0.10 per KWhr, you may have a monthly cost similar to mine even though you might be using 3 times as much electricty.

I would say that if your rates are closer to the national aver of $0.11 per KWHr, don't expect to have to pay anything less than $60 to $70 per month (minimum) to heat the tank in the winter. If you aren't ok with dropping that much money to heat the tank (I'm guessing it would actually cost you a bit more than that), I wouldn't buy fish that require tropical temps.

As an alternative, like Lopaka mentioned, heat exchanger off of your hot water heater would be more efficient (typically it's cheaper to heat via gas than electricity).

PS- Do I win an award for longest post ever on MFK?

Damn $0.30 per kw is high. Here in my city we have a 2 stage energy system where we pay $0.0667 /kw for the first 1350 kw that we use in a 2 month period then if we go over that then the 2nd stage would cost $0.0962 per kw. We pay some cheap costs for electricity but we will be seeing a 15% increase within the next year or so.


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Damn $0.30 per kw is high. Here in my city we have a 2 stage energy system where we pay $0.0667 /kw for the first 1350 kw that we use in a 2 month period then if we go over that then the 2nd stage would cost $0.0962 per kw. We pay some cheap costs for electricity but we will be seeing a 15% increase within the next year or so.


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$0.962 is your highest tier!? Your highest tier is 35% lower than my lowest tier! I use $0.30 because that's the rate that the tank usually puts me into...we are on a tiered system too:

0-351KWHrs @ $0.13
352-456KWHRs @ $0.14
457-702KWHRs @ $0.30
703-1053KWHRs @ $0.34
1054+ @ $0.34

Yeah, I hate opening my power bill. :irked:
 
$0.962 is your highest tier!? Your highest tier is 35% lower than my lowest tier! I use $0.30 because that's the rate that the tank usually puts me into...we are on a tiered system too:

0-351KWHrs @ $0.13
352-456KWHRs @ $0.14
457-702KWHRs @ $0.30
703-1053KWHRs @ $0.34
1054+ @ $0.34

Yeah, I hate opening my power bill. :irked:


Damn that's a crazy tier jump in costs per kw. Move to Canada;)


Yup our highest tier is I repeat $0.0962. Sounds cheap but I still pay roughly $100 bux per month just for my 450g alone during winter season. I guess this cheap energy costs compensates our living/housing costs here in Vancouver, BC. I think we are ranked #37 most expensive city to live in the world for 2012 and ranked #1 for North America...LA ranking #2 for North America #42 in the world, Chicago and New York ranking #47 In the world.

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Damn that's a crazy tier jump in costs per kw. Move to Canada;)


Yup our highest tier is I repeat $0.0962. Sounds cheap but I still pay roughly $100 bux per month just for my 450g alone during winter season. I guess this cheap energy costs compensates our living/housing costs here in Vancouver, BC. I think we are ranked #37 most expensive city to live in the world for 2012 and ranked #1 for North America...LA ranking #2 for North America #42 in the world, Chicago and New York ranking #47 In the world.

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Too cold up there for me. So if your tank is costing you $100/month alone, you are probably using well over 1,000KWHRs/month just to heat the tank, right? What is your total KWHr usage in one winter month? Must be insanely high.
 
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