Help - Green Terror has strange eruption on head

[4D3]

Hi,

I checked the fish last night and noticed that my GT had a small red mark next to a sensor pit on his nose, i came home from work today and found that it seems to have erupted and there is white fluffy stuff on the edges.

The hole is about 1-2mm.

Please can someone give me a hand with what to do with this!!

The medication i have to hand is:

Potassium Permanganate

Prescription:

Amoxycillin 500mg (40 Capsules)
Doxycyline 100mg (15 Tablets)
Metronidazole 400mg (40 Tablets_

From Pet Shop:

Aqua Master Multi Cure
Aqua Master Aquari-Cycline (375mg Tetracycline Hydrochloride)
Aqua Master Tri-Sulfa (153.5mg Sulfadiazine, 154mg Sulfadimidine, 154mg Sulfamerazine)

 

[Aquanero]

I'm going to discuess both threads here. Please provide your water parameters ammonia, nitrites, nitrates, PH and hardness if available.

The GT is showing signs of Hex and should be treated with Metronidazole. 250-500 mg per 20 gallons (your 400mg tablet will work). Treat every 48 hours with a 25% water change before each treatment. Treat for 10 days. You can desolve one of the tablets in some tank (a small conatiner) water and soak some food for about 15-20 mins and then dump the whole thing into the tank. It is common for fish to stop eating while on Metro so don't be too concerned if you notice they stop eating but it is important you soake some food initally so they eat it with the first does.

I'm not sure about the Midas that could be several different things. Metro can be used in conjunction with salt so in addition to the Metro discribed above add 1 tablespoon of salt per 5 gallons of water to the tank. Let's tackle the Hex and monitor the Midas during treatment and see if the metro helps there too.

Before doing anything test your water so we get a good base line (this info will be used if any addition meds will be required so they must be accurate). Then do a 50% water change and substrate cleaing/vacuming if you can. Once this is done begin treating with the salt and Metro follow the directions above and replace any salt removed by the water changes between metro doses.

 

[4D3]

I'm going to discuess both threads here. Please provide your water parameters ammonia, nitrites, nitrates, PH and hardness if available.

The GT is showing signs of Hex and should be treated with Metronidazole. 250-500 mg per 20 gallons (your 400mg tablet will work). Treat every 48 hours with a 25% water change before each treatment. Treat for 10 days. You can desolve one of the tablets in some tank (a small conatiner) water and soak some food for about 15-20 mins and then dump the whole thing into the tank. It is common for fish to stop eating while on Metro so don't be too concerned if you notice they stop eating but it is important you soake some food initally so they eat it with the first does.

I'm not sure about the Midas that could be several different things. Metro can be used in conjunction with salt so in addition to the Metro discribed above add 1 tablespoon of salt per 5 gallons of water to the tank. Let's tackle the Hex and monitor the Midas during treatment and see if the metro helps there too.

Before doing anything test your water so we get a good base line (this info will be used if any addition meds will be required so they must be accurate). Then do a 50% water change and substrate cleaing/vacuming if you can. Once this is done begin treating with the salt and Metro follow the directions above and replace any salt removed by the water changes between metro doses.

water perimeters are Amonia 0 nitrite 0 nitrate 5ppm, PH7, Hardness 7-8 Drops

If my calcs are correct, if i give a 350mg dose per 75L on a 650L tank thats 7 tablets per treatment? Im guessing i should grind the tablets up first? (One of the tablets i use for soaking the food and drop the whole lot into the tank)

Would it be worth giving the a Permanginate bath at all? Also Will the Metro do any damage to my bacteria in the canister??

I currently have salt at 2 gram per 20L which is roughly 1 tablespoon of salt per 5 gallons.

 

[Aquanero]

You got it right.

I would not do the premanginate bath at this point just go with the metro and salt. Keep an eye on them and we can adjust if necessary.

 

[4D3]

You got it right.

I would not do the premanginate bath at this point just go with the metro and salt. Keep an eye on them and we can adjust if necessary.

I used 7 metro tablets, i have enough for 5 treatments at that dose other than that im trying to figure out a way to get some more!!! (I cant just buy it over the counter here!!)

if the metro runs out is there anything else i can do?

As a side note, should i feed them daily or should i cut the feeding back so they are hungry for the Metro Soaked Food?

Can metro kill of the bacteria in the canisters?

 

[framcosco]

If your fish is eating, there is no need to treat the water column with metro.... Especially if you are treating for internal parasites. Metro in the water column should be used only when your fish are not eating because little to no meds will make it inside the fish. Save yourself the money by only adding metro to the food. Adding vitamins to its diet will also help. In addition you can soak some of the food with epsom salt (dissolve epsom salt in water). These three things will greatly increase your chances of curing your green terror. Good luck.

 

[4D3]

If your fish is eating, there is no need to treat the water column with metro.... Especially if you are treating for internal parasites. Metro in the water column should be used only when your fish are not eating because little to no meds will make it inside the fish. Save yourself the money by only adding metro to the food. Adding vitamins to its diet will also help. In addition you can soak some of the food with epsom salt (dissolve epsom salt in water). These three things will greatly increase your chances of curing your green terror. Good luck.

So I should only feed them the food? Every day or every second day?

 

[Aquanero]

The following information was taken from a discussion about the possibile ways Hex can be transmitted in aquaria. I would treat the system and not just the fish itself. Fish on Metro often stop eating soaking the food and feeding as I suggested (using one pellet to soak the food) is a good way to make sure the metro is dilivered internally, untill they refuse to eat. This is how I would do it, I would rather error on the side of caution.

"Whilst there is little known at the moment on the complete lifecycle and transmission of Spironucleus vortens it is reasonable to expect that it is very similar to other Spironucleus species. One way that Spironucleus may be transmitted is via contaminated faecal material. That is the adult trophozoite undergoes longitudinal binary fission in the intestine, the trophozoites are then passed in faeces. It may also be possible that cysts are produced and evacuated in a similar manner, though this is yet to be demonstrated; however other diplomonads have reproduced in this manner under laboratory conditions (Poynton, Sterud, 2002). In this way, discus 'pecking' at the base of the aquarium are likely to ingest S. vortens. Post ingestion excystment would occur, if cysts are involved; and/or the newly ingested trophozoites would start to colonise the mucosal surface and mucus layer of the small intestinal lumen - and so the cycle continues."

 

[4D3]

The following information was taken from a discussion about the possibile ways Hex can be transmitted in aquaria. I would treat the system and not just the fish itself. Fish on Metro often stop eating soaking the food and feeding as I suggested (using one pellet to soak the food) is a good way to make sure the metro is dilivered internally, untill they refuse to eat. This is how I would do it, I would rather error on the side of caution.

"Whilst there is little known at the moment on the complete lifecycle and transmission of Spironucleus vortens it is reasonable to expect that it is very similar to other Spironucleus species. One way that Spironucleus may be transmitted is via contaminated faecal material. That is the adult trophozoite undergoes longitudinal binary fission in the intestine, the trophozoites are then passed in faeces. It may also be possible that cysts are produced and evacuated in a similar manner, though this is yet to be demonstrated; however other diplomonads have reproduced in this manner under laboratory conditions (Poynton, Sterud, 2002). In this way, discus 'pecking' at the base of the aquarium are likely to ingest S. vortens. Post ingestion excystment would occur, if cysts are involved; and/or the newly ingested trophozoites would start to colonise the mucosal surface and mucus layer of the small intestinal lumen - and so the cycle continues."

I like caution,I like my green terror,I will treat the system and the food as you said.

I will do the first water change and second dose tomorrow

Thanks

 

[framcosco]

The following information was taken from a discussion about the possibile ways Hex can be transmitted in aquaria. I would treat the system and not just the fish itself. Fish on Metro often stop eating soaking the food and feeding as I suggested (using one pellet to soak the food) is a good way to make sure the metro is dilivered internally, untill they refuse to eat. This is how I would do it, I would rather error on the side of caution.

"Whilst there is little known at the moment on the complete lifecycle and transmission of Spironucleus vortens it is reasonable to expect that it is very similar to other Spironucleus species. One way that Spironucleus may be transmitted is via contaminated faecal material. That is the adult trophozoite undergoes longitudinal binary fission in the intestine, the trophozoites are then passed in faeces. It may also be possible that cysts are produced and evacuated in a similar manner, though this is yet to be demonstrated; however other diplomonads have reproduced in this manner under laboratory conditions (Poynton, Sterud, 2002). In this way, discus 'pecking' at the base of the aquarium are likely to ingest S. vortens. Post ingestion excystment would occur, if cysts are involved; and/or the newly ingested trophozoites would start to colonise the mucosal surface and mucus layer of the small intestinal lumen - and so the cycle continues."

I respect your opinion. For the sake of argument, lets suppose this parasite is transmitted via fecal matter. Ok.... how is metro in the water column going to prevent transmission? We've all seen it....fish poops, other fish either eats the poo or chews then spits out..... so again how is the metro in the water column preventing transmission? How is metro in the water column benefiting anyone in the attempt to cure HITH?

I would add some garlic and vitamins to the food as well as the metro. Treat for 10-14 days. In my experience, when a large cichlid like GT or Oscar show signs of HITH & are still eating, they will continue to eat as metro is added to their food ---- they may eat less but as long as the metro/vitamin/garlic/food combo is the ONLY food given, they will eat. Siphoning the poo out every day and doing large water changes help tremendously.

I just don't like to add antibiotics to any tank without knowing its benefits.