help ID! FESTAE??

[Jason_S]

Right.....To me...A FH hybrid, would be a FH x ANYTHING ELSE. Holy derailification batman! Point and laugh, and say I told you so?

a FH x ANYTHING ELSE is still a FH . a FH itself is a cross, so a FH x anything else is a cross of a cross....still ultimately a cross and ultimately a FH.

marc getting tech are you lol

im asking you now if you just look at the face of this fish you really believe its a plain o fh?

and i agree wit spizz its all fun here lol everyone gets their own laughs off different opinions

plus the question was answered.IT WASNT A RED TERROR.

a plain old flowerhorn is still a flowerhorn which is still a hybrid/cross. just because there are more or less species thrown in the recipe doesn't make it any more or less of a flowerhorn...maybe higher or lower grade but a flowerhorn is a flowerhorn is a flowerhorn.

 

[Jason_S]

A FH x Jag for instance, is a fh x jag...I'm not gonna argue silly points...

well what you call a FH x Jag someone else is gonna call a Striped Leopard Golden Flowerhorn or some other outrageous name. The point is, there is no exact definition of what species are to be included to be a flowerhorn so a flowerhorn crossed with anything else is still a flowerhorn..just a new strain.

 

[grillahorn]

i have a festaexflowerhorn cross. Its face is festae but bosy & fins are FH. I guess hes more fh then festae but his face just looks too much like festae

 

[Jason_S]

i have a festaexflowerhorn cross. Its face is festae but bosy & fins are FH. I guess hes more fh then festae but his face just looks too much like festae

festae is a common mixture in the FH recipe. in about any fh you can see definite traits of one species or another...of course the base for most fh is the trimac but there's also usually very strong midas...after that it can be just about anything....texas, carpintis, festae, synspilum, bifasciatus, and god and the creators only know what else...

 

[cichlidinsomniac]

Would have to disagree.Looks more like Fh or trimac x ?

it doesn't look like this too you

 

[Hawkfish3.0]

Hey guys, I think the point that Jason is trying to make, is that any SA/CA hybrid would be considered a flowerhorn. There is no predetermined "flowerhorn formula". So, calling something a flowerhorn X whatever could be anything. You could have a carpinte X managuense and it would be called a flowerhorn. If you took the subsequent offspring and crossed them with say, festae, it would just be a flowerhorn with one more genetic line added to the "formula".

The point is, there is no "flowerhorn" species. It could be any cross between SA/CA cichlids. There is no fish that has a flowerhorn trait. It can only have traits of the species from which it was bred.

 

[Jason_S]

it doesn't look like this too you

maybe the pics are just too dark on my screen, but honestly no I think the original fish look more like low grade FH than lyonsi. besides, if they were bought at a common lfs then that really stacks the odds in the favor of FH. not many lfs typically carry lyonsi.

 

[Bogwoodbruce]

FLOWERHORN.

 

[Jason_S]

Hey guys, I think the point that Jason is trying to make, is that any SA/CA hybrid would be considered a flowerhorn. There is no predetermined "flowerhorn formula". So, calling something a flowerhorn X whatever could be anything. You could have a carpinte X managuense and it would be called a flowerhorn. If you took the subsequent offspring and crossed them with say, festae, it would just be a flowerhorn with one more genetic line added to the "formula".

The point is, there is no "flowerhorn" species. It could be any cross between SA/CA cichlids. There is no fish that has a flowerhorn trait. It can only have traits of the species from which it was bred.

well....you're about 99% right...lol. I wouldn't say that ANY CA/SA hybrid could be called a FH. For instance, if a firemouth spawned with a convict then I wouldn't call the fry FH's...simply firemouth x convict. Fh's first started out as primarily trimac and who knows what else...many believe that it was midas others synspilum etc. My point was once you have what you would call a FH and then cross anything else to it then it's still a FH imo...just working on another new, exotic strain or whatever. no need in calling it a FH x ?? since a FH itself is a cross.

the only time I'd call something a species1 x species2 is if you know exactly what the 2 species are and a FH isn't a species so....

 

[Hawkfish3.0]

FLOWERHORN.

Nice addition Bruce. I have no idea how you've posted over 12,000 times!