Help ID the sex of this umbee!

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Because I have a male one, It'd be cool if I could get a female.
Meant if the lfs wouldn't vent for you, then I say f em lol. They shouldn't give you an issue.

With the shape the torpedo head is say female but umbee females have a black in top dorsal I believe and don't color up as much as males.
 
If the lfs won't vent, then I wouldn't even bother. Shows what type of people they are.

Possible female maybe, going off the shape of the head but too young to tell.
I'm pretty sure I had asked the sex of my umbee on this site, but it wouldn't hurt if I ask again to be sure. This one is mine. Do you think it's a male? These photos were taken 2 or 3 months ago.IMG_20251115_131407.jpgIMG_20251115_131416.jpg
 
Meant if the lfs wouldn't vent for you, then I say f em lol. They shouldn't give you an issue.

With the shape the torpedo head is say female but umbee females have a black in top dorsal I believe and don't color up as much as males.
This one is the ones from the LFS, I kept asking him until he gave me a vent's photo.
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This one is the ones from the LFS, I kept asking him until he gave me a vent's photo.
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As mentioned brother, if he's gonna neglect to personally show you, then I wouldn't even bother with that store anymore.

That photo could be from any other fish he had.

Only thing I can advise, is to get a small group and grow out a female on your own. By doing that, you know for sure what you have.
 
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As mentioned brother, if he's gonna neglect to personally show you, then I wouldn't even bother with that store anymore.

That photo could be from any other fish he had.

Only thing I can advise, is to get a small group and grow out a female on your own. By doing that, you know for sure what you have.
Too bad, currently this is the only fish shop that has an umbee, as far as I know. The other cichlids shops here are out of stock for a few months now. (The umbee of the LFS is the last umbee he has in the stock, plus yeah, can't really blame the owner, because the shop shares 3 different owners, probably siblings. Therefore, his messenger has many 3 different admins. One of them is kinda rude, but the other 2 were good when I bought a festae.)
 
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