Help Me Choose My First Ray Plllleeeaaasseee? =]

[USMCtanker]

That's why I'm not getting a ray. I'd like to have the upgrade tank before I buy one.

i agree, keep looken tho, by the time u are done looking and reading info on here u will see some sweet deals, and find vendors, u will have ur monstertank in no time if u stick around here long enuff lol. happened to me.

 

[Piscine]

BUT to the folk who say if you get a fish in this case rays, you should have a tank big enough from the start.

Geeeessssss what the hell have i done i must be , i have 2 motoros, 1 TSNxRTC and an silver aro in a 6x2x2, i intend to keep them for many years......

BUT i could of built a 12x6x4 straight away, but no, i decided not to as i didnt want to enjoy bringing up my fish in a tank that we would hardly ever see them in, Oooooo hunny look....what...... i think thats a ray over there , where hunny

hahahahahah!!!

 

[T1KARMANN]

Oops sorry wrong thread

 

[Steveo McNello]

I am well aware of the hybrid cats potential size and rehoming him in a few months. I took him because i got him for a good price.

 

[T1KARMANN]

Hi Steveo, i think you have got what you wanted for an answer...in a few more ways than expected LOL

A lot true and as i have seen from yourselve you are leaving it for now, good idea if you are not sure if you can rehome them to a larger tank.

BUT to the folk who say if you get a fish in this case rays, you should have a tank big enough from the start.

Geeeessssss what the hell have i done i must be , i have 2 motoros, 1 TSNxRTC and an silver aro in a 6x2x2, i intend to keep them for many years......

If you do have the fish stated in a 6x2 then yes you have made a big mistake

A 6x2 is a big tank to some fishkeepers but to the fish you stated it's a goldfish bowl

If you set up the 12x6 just for the fish stated then it would fill up fast as the fish would have more room to grow and not be stunted in a little 6x2

A 12x6 if not something you can throw up in 5 mins it takes time and planning which you should have started the min you brought your TSNxRTC home

I would like to see what situation you are in after say 6 months with all of them fish in your big massive 6x2

 

[T1KARMANN]

I am well aware of the hybrid cats potential size and rehoming him in a few months. I took him because i got him for a good price.

Just because you got it for a good price doesn't mean you should bring it home

I can get a arapima for £80 does that mean I should run a out and get one knowing that I will never be able to home one

 

[skiptomyzoo]

this isn't the clown loach section it's the Ray section so for rays yes it's pretty much a blanket rule. There is fish keeping and there is Ray keeping. Just because you are ok with fish doesn't mean you will be good with rays there are alot more requirements.
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I actually meant it as a joke and am aware that I am in the ray section. I took issue with the whole don't buy the fish unless you have the tank, as I've done it quite a bit, and included an extreme example. Anyhow with every other fish I raised (I prefer SA&CA), I must just upgrade a lot quicker than other people, because I don't have that problem as for 3 years now there hasn't been a single fish I have purchased that I haven't researched first even if I don't have the tank for them at the time. I have 5 beanis in a 55 growing out as we speak. Therefore I think it's kind of dumb to make that statement. If the fish doesn't warrant the tank yet, theres no need for me to have already bought one.

Pretty much waynes world's post is exactly what I am getting at.

 

[jeffers]

i guess you didnt read waynes post

i have 2 motoros, 1 TSNxRTC and an silver aro in a 6x2x2, i intend to keep them for many years......

lol yeah MANY years i think not and if so i feel sorry for his live stock those fish wont be able to turn around at all..... well i do believe the people that dont know any better and havent done any research are laughing at the wrong part. a tank build dosent happen over night.

the thing is lots of people start out on 125's but know that that tank is only a 6 month tank and are already looking for the next upgrade. i have 2 8x2x2 and am looking for the next step up as these cannot house rays for years but only the next 6-9 month stage with most species. motoros grow fast others are slower.

the thing most people on here get so mad about is the fact that people are saying FOR LIFE not just im looking to buy the next tank right now just havent found yet. or am currently building the next tank. no they are always saying for life.

you on the other hand im guessing are always looking for that next tank and know they need the next step up. where as most others are not.

 

[Gshock]

I actually meant it as a joke and am aware that I am in the ray section. I took issue with the whole don't buy the fish unless you have the tank, as I've done it quite a bit, and included an extreme example. Anyhow with every other fish I raised (I prefer SA&CA), I must just upgrade a lot quicker than other people, because I don't have that problem as for 3 years now there hasn't been a single fish I have purchased that I haven't researched first even if I don't have the tank for them at the time. I have 5 beanis in a 55 growing out as we speak. Therefore I think it's kind of dumb to make that statement. If the fish doesn't warrant the tank yet, theres no need for me to have already bought one.

Pretty much waynes world's post is exactly what I am getting at.

To be honest, I know next to nothing on cichlids. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the majority of cichlids do not require tanks as big as the ones rays require. If that is the case, generally, the tank one ray requires is VERY different than the tank one cichlid requires. Even in your extreme example, I highly doubt a clown loach is going to match the size of a grown motoro. Point being it takes a lot more commitment to upgrade a tank for a ray than to upgrade a tank for a cichlid.

 

[skiptomyzoo]

i guess you didnt read waynes post

i have 2 motoros, 1 TSNxRTC and an silver aro in a 6x2x2, i intend to keep them for many years......

lol yeah MANY years i think not and if so i feel sorry for his live stock those fish wont be able to turn around at all..... well i do believe the people that dont know any better and havent done any research are laughing at the wrong part. a tank build dosent happen over night.

I think he was talking about the fish, not keeping them in the tank for years, that is what he was getting at in the rest of the post which I did read. And tank builds can happen very quickly if you want them too. I'm not new here. I've read actually quite a bit on them, and seen some truely motivated people on here pull them off real quick, so that more than anything will determine the time factor.

I'm not trying to flame or be a jerk I just don't agree with the statement of don't have the fish before the tank, as even you said you don't. Nor do I agree with the as far "there is fish keeping and there is ray keeping".... as there really isn't.

I've done freshwater, saltwater with both fish and coral going against the grain by starting it with a small tank, and also dabbled in pico planted. Each presented challenges that one could just as easily say there is a difference between blank keeping or blank keeping. In fact, the reason I picked up the beanis that I mentioned in my last post, was because they are a challenge, notorious for bloat (especially the size I got them at) and no one is really sure why (theories at best). At least with rays you have some info readily available. Would have done festae again but already raised them from fry and breed them in a 55.

So to say there is a difference, like it is something profound, I fail to see it. Not saying rays are a walk in the park, their not, but just as easily other species can present equal and sometimes greater challenges, and therefore should not be dismissed so suddenly. But as long as you understand the basics, and are willing to figure out the differences between species, it can be manageable.