Hi everybody the rays are p14,they are around 3 years old now,my husband was very much into them but we have parted now and i have kept them,hey i can live without him but not my stingrays they are my babies.I replaced the bulbs on the uvs 4 weeks ago ,Vamptrev thankyou for your pictures they do look like that,i will gat a camera tomorow as havent had a chance today and will post pictures,i will add more salt for now and take the temp up higher and start doing 2 water changes a week.thankyou to you all for your help.