Help Stop legal actions against future importations relating to the Lacey Act

[RD.]

But like aussieman was saying, they're a little late, because everything they're concerned about is already established and for the most part integrated into the ecosystem.

Yup, I agree with what you are saying for the most part. Problem is that is not how any of this will be viewed by the do gooders, not in today's cancel culture.
We have given these people a 100+ yrs of reasons (valid or not) to cancel anything that doesn't fall in line with their views of the future. This is just the start....

 

[wednesday13]

When does the senate vote on this again?

Not even sure honestly… itell pass if they want it too if the right person pays lol. Sadly the petition is probably just to get a list of names to search ??‍?. There def. smart about it. The reading/petition started going around a day after the last vote. Was already too late.

IMO its extremely counter productive. The easiest thing to do with “evidence” in these situations is to get rid of it. Will b an influx of people dumping animals now to avoid possible charges rather than keeping them as normal lol…

 

[skjl47]

So the 1% or less of animals from the pet trade on those lists are the problem? Thats a joke… the government and state agencies released most things on the lists them selves. The part to worry about in the bill is “emergency action”…. That means pre issued warrants, search and seizures and run around with guns making good, law abiding citizens lick boots for no reason. Have fun when its ur turn.

Hello; Such is the dilemma. I do not want government or agency interference in my life so will have to be willing to live with what comes about from unregulated lifestyles. I can give two examples. One actually happening. I live in the rural part of a TN county with no restrictions on land use. There is an issue in a part of the county. Some sort of electronic site has been set up on an area. Not clear what the site does. Some of the neighbors are not happy with the new structures and are making noise about land use restrictions.
The other in that a 20 acre pasture next to my property had been used for cattle for a long time. This last year the guys running the cattle got into a fuss with the land owner. They moved their cattle away and now the land sits empty with no use. I can picture any number of things that could be put on the land if the owner sells or wants to make the land pay. There is a growing college (LMU) (Lincoln Memorial University) which has been opening up new schools the last few years. Lots of demand for housing from the ever increasing number of students. Already four houses near me are rentals to students. I can picture a big housing project next door.

So I made a choice to live in an unrestricted area back when looking for a place to live after retiring. Now i may have to face the consequences of that choice. My freedom to pretty much do as i please on my land means the same for the land of others. If I do some lifestyle my neighbors do not like they have to deal. Same for me.

Here is the point. I can see a way we get to keep any animals, plants and such on our own property which we choose. My neighbors could decide to keep tigers or put up a dog kennel. I might have to live next to a lot of barking dogs. So unrestricted fish appeals to me. Can i live with the consequences if some neighbor dumps some species that take a hold and ruins the local waters? Such is the possibility.

The big issue with federal or state agencies taking over is the real tendency they have to overreach. Overreach is too mild a term for what they do. Someone needs to find a better term. In general government agencies go way too far. So, I do not want the environment spoiled by unthinking pet keepers and i do not want government agencies telling me what i can and cannot keep. I do not have a solution.

 

[wednesday13]

Hello; Such is the dilemma. I do not want government or agency interference in my life so will have to be willing to live with what comes about from unregulated lifestyles. I can give two examples. One actually happening. I live in the rural part of a TN county with no restrictions on land use. There is an issue in a part of the county. Some sort of electronic site has been set up on an area. Not clear what the site does. Some of the neighbors are not happy with the new structures and are making noise about land use restrictions.
The other in that a 20 acre pasture next to my property had been used for cattle for a long time. This last year the guys running the cattle got into a fuss with the land owner. They moved their cattle away and now the land sits empty with no use. I can picture any number of things that could be put on the land if the owner sells or wants to make the land pay. There is a growing college (LMU) (Lincoln Memorial University) which has been opening up new schools the last few years. Lots of demand for housing from the ever increasing number of students. Already four houses near me are rentals to students. I can picture a big housing project next door.

So I made a choice to live in an unrestricted area back when looking for a place to live after retiring. Now i may have to face the consequences of that choice. My freedom to pretty much do as i please on my land means the same for the land of others. If I do some lifestyle my neighbors do not like they have to deal. Same for me.

Here is the point. I can see a way we get to keep any animals, plants and such on our own property which we choose. My neighbors could decide to keep tigers or put up a dog kennel. I might have to live next to a lot of barking dogs. So unrestricted fish appeals to me. Can i live with the consequences if some neighbor dumps some species that take a hold and ruins the local waters? Such is the possibility.

The big issue with federal or state agencies taking over is the real tendency they have to overreach. Overreach is too mild a term for what they do. Someone needs to find a better term. In general government agencies go way too far. So, I do not want the environment spoiled by unthinking pet keepers and i do not want government agencies telling me what i can and cannot keep. I do not have a solution.

Appreciate your opinion ?… and agree with ya. Like most scenarios in life its a double edged sword. Im a bit bias and “fired up” on the subject as ive been a “casualty” of the lacey act already. Spent my entire fish keeping career playing by the rules, purchasing only legally imported fish and still had my property taken from me with new laws like this. The extent and matters taken for 1 fish in my case was absurd and i do not wish that situation on anyone. “They” can enter your home, take you from you work place and do whatever they wish to you and your possessions. This law proposal just further opens the door for injustices to regular people trying to live a normal life.

 

[Hybridfish7]

We are done for
I just found out it's a 2400 page bill and there are only 4 pages right in the middle that detail this issue
No way that isn't getting skimmed past, and they're making it a top priority to get it to grandfather joe in light of everything else business related in there

 

[MultipleTankSyndrome]

I apologize if I've missed this but what are the exact processes that will happen if/when this bill gets put into place? As in, how are the exotic animals going to be regulated? I'm confused as to exactly what happens.
Pet stores have to destroy their stock? Owners of exotic animals have to destroy their stock? And these are with the obvious banning exotic animal imports?

 

[The Masked Shadow]

We are done for
I just found out it's a 2400 page bill and there are only 4 pages right in the middle that detail this issue
No way that isn't getting skimmed past, and they're making it a top priority to get it to grandfather joe in light of everything else business related in there

That sucks. Especially for aspiring monster fish keepers ?

 

[Ogertron3000]

I do not want the environment spoiled by unthinking pet keepers and i do not want government agencies telling me what i can and cannot keep. I do not have a solution.

This sums up exactly how i feel about our ultra strict laws here in Australia. I guess the difference is the laws have been in effect for a long time so i dont know any different, its just annoying when i come on here and see all the cool stuff you guys have that i never will.
We also have evidence right before our eyes everyday of introduced animals becoming feral and out of control, cane toads, rabbits, indian mynah birds and carp are all over the place so its a very visible argument of what happens when things go wrong with introduced species. Funnily enough all of the animals i mentioned were deliberately introduced for various reasons.

 

[Hybridfish7]

This sums up exactly how i feel about our ultra strict laws here in Australia. I guess the difference is the laws have been in effect for a long time so i dont know any different, its just annoying when i come on here and see all the cool stuff you guys have that i never will.
We also have evidence right before our eyes everyday of introduced animals becoming feral and out of control, cane toads, rabbits, indian mynah birds and carp are all over the place so its a very visible argument of what happens when things go wrong with introduced species. Funnily enough all of the animals i mentioned were deliberately introduced for various reasons.

Again, the Australia situation is different from the US, Australia has a lot more hospitable waterways/land for exotic species to spread across than if the same species were to be dropped somewhere in the middle of the US.

 

[DrownedFishonFire]

Again, the Australia situation is different from the US, Australia has a lot more hospitable waterways/land for exotic species to spread across than if the same species were to be dropped somewhere in the middle of the US.

Actually it is an issue in a certain percentage of the lower 48 states if you think about the landmass involved- Lower half of Cali, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Florida, GA, Mississippi, etc etc (even out of our 48 state zone: Hawaii is a very easy state to have issues as well as Puerto Rico) Its just too much states, I am sure we have NANFA members doing some testimonies on what they were catching invasive wise I was hearing about a certain honey hole full of colorful cichlids (invasive ones) in a spring in Colorado that stays warm year round. Even Angelfish was being caught there. That’s what got me interested in the micro fishing aspect. The US is more hospitable than what we think- we have way too many states involved. There was a chatter about how bad it was on NANFA FB page a year or two ago thats how I found out how bad it is its not just ”Florida” I think we need To look at who is fishing in our waters and what they are seeing. I want to hear from the conservation officers POV what they are seeing in our waters nationwide if this is an issue or not Not just NANFA POV. The angelfish that was caught that I saw on FB group had its fins torn up but it was a beautiful specimen- thats what really got me interested.