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yea i agree with Jordan.. sorry for your loss.
 
if it fell flat on it's back for only half a meter, i seriously doubt it broke its back. it may have stressed it a bit, but highly doubtful that it caused a break. my guess is stress-induced death due to the transfer and disparity in water parameters/quality. it takes quite a bit for a medium-large size gar to die just like that.

either way, sorry for the loss--
--solomon
 
E_americanus;1393356; said:
if it fell flat on it's back for only half a meter, i seriously doubt it broke its back. it may have stressed it a bit, but highly doubtful that it caused a break. my guess is stress-induced death due to the transfer and disparity in water parameters/quality. it takes quite a bit for a medium-large size gar to die just like that.

either way, sorry for the loss--
--solomon

this depends on how the fish landed, what it landed on, etc... ive had gar jump before and fall to the ground, but i cant say ive ever had one go belly up w/ out a serious injury involved. it seems to me that a stress induced death would be a little more prolonged too. this seemed to be rather abrupt. also check out his description on the movement of the fins. it all seems to fit the description of a broken back to me.

these are just my thoughts though.
 
demjor19;1393504; said:
this depends on how the fish landed, what it landed on, etc... ive had gar jump before and fall to the ground, but i cant say ive ever had one go belly up w/ out a serious injury involved. it seems to me that a stress induced death would be a little more prolonged too. this seemed to be rather abrupt. also check out his description on the movement of the fins. it all seems to fit the description of a broken back to me.

these are just my thoughts though.

i think he mentioned it landed flat, if it landed flat, the vertebrae don't really lined up for much damage as they are quite robust when the impact is not head on.

that and stress related injuries can cause the fish to succumb quite quickly depending on the conditions...as well as the species. longnoses and Cubans seem to be more susceptible to WQ than others, shortnoses are psychotic, gators also are a little crazy...t-gars and Florida/spotted actually seem to be the most durable all the way around IMO. but given the right Ammo stressors or other WQ issues, including temperature, these issues can turn a gar belly-up in no time.

again, would help to know a bit more about the fish...species, size, etc etc. either way, this gar is unfortunately lost--
--solomon
 
Generally a fall such as this would not cause catastrophic damage to the fish and injure it internally enough to kill it. Maybe cripple it, if it hit the floor just right, but it would not kill it.

I would personally (and in agreement with Solomon) think that something else caused the quick demise of the fish. The fall likely did not help matters along but it does not seem to be a primary cause..

What species was this fish Xander???
 
it was a 11" spotted gar, already reaching the pleatu stage and thickening. i didn't think it was the fall either, as there was no visible damage and the fish landed flat on the back. plus he could still move a bit, and even struggled to swim towards the last part. now i think it's the water temp, cause my friends temp was abt 31degC. and we moved him to 90% tap water(here the tap water is safe for drinking) at ard 27degC. but is this sufficient to kill a gar?!
 
xander13;1395236; said:
it was a 11" spotted gar, already reaching the pleatu stage and thickening. i didn't think it was the fall either, as there was no visible damage and the fish landed flat on the back. plus he could still move a bit, and even struggled to swim towards the last part. now i think it's the water temp, cause my friends temp was abt 31degC. and we moved him to 90% tap water(here the tap water is safe for drinking) at ard 27degC. but is this sufficient to kill a gar?!

was the new tap water dechlorinated? "safe for drinking" doesn't necessarily mean safe for fishes...in fact, it generally means the opposite unless you use chemicals to counteract the water treatment--
--solomon
 
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