Help with my pump issues

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I will add more info to this thread later, I am just on my lunch break at work and figured I can post what details I have so I can figure out what else people need to help me out. I have a 400 gallon tank, 7x2x4wide, standing on the stand the top is about 6 feet or so. It is running a 90 gallon sump with a MAG1800 pump going through a 65 watt emperor aquatics UV sterilizer. It is drilled in the back with two overflows, and these overflows as well as the pipes leading down to the sump are either 1 inch or 1.25 inch, likely 1 inch I will confirm 100% when I get home. I have another MAG1800 pump I tried running, but shortly after running it the overflows dont keep up and my tank floods. I added a ball valve to the UV sterilizer and even with the ball valve nearly all the way closed, it still floods though it takes a bit longer. I want to be able to run both pumps for the turnover, preferably at full capacity though I don't mind using the ball valve a little bit because that will slow the water down through the sterilizer. Ideally I do not want to mess with the overflows themselves as the double locknuts are friggin tricky to get sealed properly and in the right place, and I don't even know if after the last time I tightened them I can remove them without risking damage to the tank (sad situation I know). I should mention the tube that runs from the sump to the sterilizer is about 3 feet, the sterilizer is about 6 feet, and the tube from the sterilizer to the tank is about 10 feet (gave myself extra in case I wanted to move the tank back. The tube on the other pump is about 10 feet, the one I am not using. Overflow tubing is also quite long, probably over 10 feet. If anyone could take the time to help me out with my project here I would appreciate it, my questions are:

1) Is there any other way I can get both pumps running and not flood my tank without messing with the overflow system at all? (My best guess is no, however someone may have some other suggestions about the tubing length or something).

2) If I have to change the overflows, can I just change the tubing on the outside of the bulkhead and not increase the diameter of the overflow itself? (My thoughts are it may create a bit of a siphon)

3) Regardless of if I have to change the overflow itself or just the tubing, how do I calculate how big of a diameter to increase it to, as in is there too big of one I can put that will have the reverse effect of what is happening now? (Ie. overflows too much and pumps cant keep up)

4) Is any of this even possible without adjusting the diameter of the drilled holes in the tank themselves? (this is likely impossible for me as I have nowhere else to keep the fish in there and as mentioned before the locknuts are terrible on it)

I really hope you guys can help, I did research however guided direction always puts my mind at ease. Let me know waht other info I can include, I am guessing the diameter is 1 inch, and hope the fix is as easy as just increasing the size of the tubing somehow.


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I will add more info to this thread later, I am just on my lunch break at work and figured I can post what details I have so I can figure out what else people need to help me out. I have a 400 gallon tank, 7x2x4wide, standing on the stand the top is about 6 feet or so. It is running a 90 gallon sump with a MAG1800 pump going through a 65 watt emperor aquatics UV sterilizer. It is drilled in the back with two overflows, and these overflows as well as the pipes leading down to the sump are either 1 inch or 1.25 inch, likely 1 inch I will confirm 100% when I get home. I have another MAG1800 pump I tried running, but shortly after running it the overflows dont keep up and my tank floods. I added a ball valve to the UV sterilizer and even with the ball valve nearly all the way closed, it still floods though it takes a bit longer. I want to be able to run both pumps for the turnover, preferably at full capacity though I don't mind using the ball valve a little bit because that will slow the water down through the sterilizer. Ideally I do not want to mess with the overflows themselves as the double locknuts are friggin tricky to get sealed properly and in the right place, and I don't even know if after the last time I tightened them I can remove them without risking damage to the tank (sad situation I know). I should mention the tube that runs from the sump to the sterilizer is about 3 feet, the sterilizer is about 6 feet, and the tube from the sterilizer to the tank is about 10 feet (gave myself extra in case I wanted to move the tank back. The tube on the other pump is about 10 feet, the one I am not using. Overflow tubing is also quite long, probably over 10 feet. If anyone could take the time to help me out with my project here I would appreciate it, my questions are:

1) Is there any other way I can get both pumps running and not flood my tank without messing with the overflow system at all? (My best guess is no, however someone may have some other suggestions about the tubing length or something).


2) If I have to change the overflows, can I just change the tubing on the outside of the bulkhead and not increase the diameter of the overflow itself? (My thoughts are it may create a bit of a siphon)

3) Regardless of if I have to change the overflow itself or just the tubing, how do I calculate how big of a diameter to increase it to, as in is there too big of one I can put that will have the reverse effect of what is happening now? (Ie. overflows too much and pumps cant keep up)

4) Is any of this even possible without adjusting the diameter of the drilled holes in the tank themselves? (this is likely impossible for me as I have nowhere else to keep the fish in there and as mentioned before the locknuts are terrible on it)

I really hope you guys can help, I did research however guided directione always puts my mind at ease. Let me know waht other info I can include, I am guessing the diameter is 1 inch, and hope the fix is as easy as just increasing the size of the tubing somehow.

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1) If you are not running full siphons already.It may help to have the overflow completely submerged or even adding a 90º if raising water level is not an option

2) I don't think that will help at all unless the inside diameter of your hosing is smaller than the bulkhead.

3) I don't think you can go to big on your overflows. They can only drain what's pumped in to your tank.

4) like said above all depends on inside diameter of hose and bulkheads.
More pictures couldnt hurt. Good luck I hope this helped. What about just simply adding a bulk head and draining some of the tank?
 
Tee both pumps back to the sump so you can control both pumps and dial them to the max your overflows can handle


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LukeOscar: I would prefer to do that as a last result, but good thinking, thanks.

HeavyHitter: I will post more pictures tonight or tomorrow with what my current setup looks like with the measurements. I think I know what you mean by making them 90degrees, mine are 45 at the moment, will this make a substantial difference? As for number 2), creating a siphon effect won't be helpful? I will post measurements when I can, please check back and thanks for the help. Can anyone else comment on number 3), whether you can go too big on overflows? I am in agreement with HeavyHitters logic.

Trevor: I was thinking about that, if I get what you mean is to have both pumps running into one output hose with the help of a valve, is this what you meant? My thoughts on this was what if I cannot dial it back enough, as in what if the 1 1800 is already pretty much max, then I'd be in trouble. Would this be suitable with the UV sterilizer, considering exposure time? Also if I were to do this, do you think I should increase the diameter of the output hose and pvc at the end? Currently is 1 inch diameter.

Thanks to all for the help, more info and pictures will come, this is for the health of my pets so I appreciate the help with this.
 
So I guess the overflow is 1.5 inches throughout, the white tubing in the above picture may not be 1.5 inches but not less than 1.25, probably 1.5 inches. Here is a pic of my overflow. I wonder if turning it to 90 will be enough, what do you guys think? Should I upgrade to 2 inch or higher? A friend of mine suggested that maybe that white tubing for the overflow could be too long, if I made it drop directly to the sump that may work better in terms of better drainage, as of right now there is about 12 feet of it and it wraps around my sump and then the water has to travel up to get back into it. What do you guys think, will it make a difference if I shorten it and have it fall directly into the sump?

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If I understand you right then yes shortening that run will help your flow.

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On my tank I have 3x1" drains and I have 2 Laguna 2000 pumps. I am realistically running around 3000gph+/- with ease. I can run both pumps and my python topping off the tank and have no overflowing issues. If plumbed correctly 2x1.5" drains should be able to handle your pumps wide open or slightly throttled back IMO...
 
On my tank I have 3x1" drains and I have 2 Laguna 2000 pumps. I am realistically running around 3000gph+/- with ease. I can run both pumps and my python topping off the tank and have no overflowing issues. If plumbed correctly 2x1.5" drains should be able to handle your pumps wide open or slightly throttled back IMO...

I'm confused as how that's possible. A 1' drain is rated at 590gph. Maybe someone else can chime in. But I have 2 1" drains that flow only 3 feet to the sump. and I have a pump that's rated at 1600gph after my head hight. But it needs to be throttled back quite a bit...

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