Help with water conditions PLEASE

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I have been having some serious problems in my tank recently. I have just moved within the last month, and since then, fish have been dropping off, mainly the larger ones (I have livebearers).

Here is a post I recently made:

I am currently keeping a 20 gallon tank which is housing some various live bearers.


The last few water changes have been pretty dirty (with the gravel vac), where the waste water was very brown. The tank is on the verge of overpopulation (probably close to 30 half grown livebearers, mostly small), but I am moving at the first of the month and will set up my 30 gal and 55 gallon for these fish (all guppies and platys.)

After I did the gravel vac the other night, I have been noticing a strong odor in the room when I get home. The only variable that has changed in the last six months is the tank was recently moved, and is close to a window getting plenty of daylight during the day; oh, and now there are many more fish because of breeding.

Also, there have been a few deaths in the tank, 2 of which were my origional female guppies I purchased to start this community almost a year ago. Both lost thier color (almost becoming opaque), tail fin rot, and some slimy coating on them which almost resembled ick. I treated the tank with some melafix and removed the sickend fish, which expired. (These deaths were on seperate occasions, one after another within about a weeks time.) 3 other deaths have occured, 1 was before the 2 i just talked about, and it was found on the rocks and looked as to have been fed upon on its side. One was just the other day, but the fish appeared healthy, just expired. Another was found under a decorative rock when I was trimming back some plants. Other than the 2 first discussed deaths, these fish were all only about half grown, where the first 2 were full grown adult guppies.

So my concern is that there might be some infection in the tank, due to the smell, but none of the other fish appear to be sick or showing any signs of fin rot or ick or any other disease. I did some research on the symptoms that the adult guppies had shown, and it matched what was called Fish Tiberculosis, but I am not totally sure, other than they lost the greyish color on thier spine, which made them look sickly and opaque, rotted fin, red spots, and slime/white spots.

What steps can I take to reduce smell/prevent further infection and death, and what precatutions should I take if I am going to transfer half of this population into a newly set up community tank?

Sorry for the long windedness



WELL I tested the water and here is what I have found:

PH is at 6, or lower because this is the lowest measurement the test will show. I guarantee that before i moved, it was around 7 (dunno if this has an effect on the fish??)

NITRITEs are at about .25 ppm

AMMONIA is at 4-8 ppm, which I am guessing is probably lethal? :swear: :eek:

NITRATEs are what appear to be 80-160 ppm



WTF DO I DO NOW? The last time I tested the water, all this stuff was at ZERO.
 
Well I realize that, and this was after a 50% water change today. What do i do??? Fish are dying!?!?
 
Sounds like a simple matter of overstocking and not doing enough water changes.

The smell is ammonia. The level your test shows is very high. The high ammonia is what probably caused the PH to drop. That isn't bad in your case because the low PH makes ammonia less toxic to fish, it just might be what is keeping your other fish hanging on. The symptoms of your dead fish should like ammonia burn to me.

Here is what I would do: Do some water changes. Start small, like 10 to 15%, twice a day. You don't want to raise the PH in your tank too fast by doing a huge water change because that will shock your fish. After that do a bigger change, 25% twice a day, then go for the big one, 50% or more. Don't forget to vacuum the gravel every time.

Because of all the fish you have you should be doing a lot of water charges with gravel vacs. Good thing you have those bigger tanks waiting!
 
Forgot to add:

Test your tap water for ammonia. Defiantly don't want to be adding fuel to the fire, so to speak!
 
So you recently moved, and the water parameters haved changed. When the tank was moved, did you rinse your gravel and tank with chlorinated water? what type of filtration are you using? The symptoms you mentioned, fin rot, and faint coloration appears to be signs of stress due to new water environment. But I am not definite until how the tank was moved, and what was done to the items inside the tank...
 
ya man share wif us wat type of system did u use?Is it because of the sunlight tat result all this disease due to high water temperture?
 
Ok, some new information....


No I did not break the tank down or clean it when i moved. I removed all fish and plants, placed them in a cooler with a battery operated aerator, and then put everything back when i got to the new place, same water and all. I thought this was the best step. Never really had problems before the move. The water at my old place was like ph 6.5 or so.

I just tested the water out of the tap when i got home a few min ago. This is what i found.

The pH, I had to use the high level ph tester, which on that test it read the highest result, so it may even be higher, but either way it reads 8.8 (isnt this high for tap water???)

There was 1 ppm of ammonia out of the tap!!! And there was about 10 ppm of nitrates out of the tap water.

There were no recorded Nitrites out of the tap.

Last night when i recorded those results, the ph out of the TANK was 6 or lower.

Besides the poor conditions, the ph has changed drastically!!! So now what do i do. I have changed out five gallons, but I dont want to put it back under these conditions :swear: :swear: :swear: :swear: :swear: :swear:

So first off, please tell me what to do to get my water back to normal, and then what must i do to treat this tap water every time i do a water change??? This water is coming from Kansas city municipal water supply.


Please help, fish are dying :confused:
 
Also forgot to mention, the cooler used to transport the fish and plants had never been used, and i also am aware not to use chemicals or soap when cleaning, but none of this was cleaned, just moved and put back.
 
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