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Hawaiianfishkee

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well ive had this tank for about 6 months and i added fish too fast... wild fish for that matter... its a 55 gallon with live rock marineland hob, DIY wet-dry sump w/ coralife skimmer.. 1st i had 3 glass eyed squirrel fish everything was awesome for about a month. then i added a cardinal fish... everything was all good... about a couple weeks later i added 2 blue fin jacks(trevally) and 2 milk fish.. none of which were quarantined. i dont know what i was thinking... long story short... thay all got ick and they all died... i let the tank sit for about a month thinking the ick would die off..WRONG... i recently just put a bi-colored goat in and in three days he was covered in ick... i thought screw it... and i put in coppersafe.. i knew that this would kill off everything in tank but fish... but at this point i didnt care.... now i'm at a standstill.

Should I:

a) rip the tank down, quarantine fish and start with new sand and live rock.

b) let the coppersafe run it's cycle(kill everything) and have fish only tank.

c) other... Please explain your answer.
 
well if there in no fish in the system right now all the ich and ich cysts will have died off my recommendation is not to stock so quickly and to Qt everything you buy. The fast addition of fish and the tank being young probably stressed the livestock to the edge causing ICH I do a fish a month when I stock display tanks the wait is worth it especially considering cost of the setup and fish, etc...

mr.reef24
 
thanks for the response mr. reef
i just want the ick to die... i put in coppersafe and i believe its only supposed to kill the ick when the ick are in their free swimming stage... a couple of days after treating with coppersafe, the white cysts on the fish fell off(fish was clear of white spots). Now i see spots starting to reappear. does that mean that the coppersafe isn't working?
 
Ich is one of those multi-stage parasites that cannot simply be erradicated at the snap of a finger. You probably would have been best off QT'ing each fish for a minimum of 4-6 weeks considering you stated they were all wild-caught, and having maintained a slow introduction rate to allow your tank to bulk up it's natural bacteria colonies. Nevertheless, lesson learned I hope. For now, since you've added copper, you're going to be looking at a FO unless you do a tear-down-clean and soak/scrub every piece of equipment inside and out, and toss out the sand and rock. If you're content with a FO then you can leave the rest as-is for now. As far as the copper not "working right" or doing it's job - no, it's not that. Copper is one of those potent meds that work well on some things, but can never be considered a miracle cure-all. The reason you noticed immediate results the first go-around, is because your fish was heavily infested by adult parasites, and therefore, not only were they killed off by the copper, but you noticed the appearance of your fish improve just as quickly. But now, your fish appears re-infected as you claim. THIS is because as I mentioned earlier, Ich is a multi-stage parasite, and copper is only effective on it's "Final" stage / "Adult" stage where it's free-swimming and unprotected with a calcified casing. Ich is a rampant disease which reproduces at alarming rates, which is why erradicating it from a community tank often prooves to be a headache, and life-loss is all too common. I'm not sure why you jumped straight to copper instead of another, less destructive medication, but now that you have, you need to understand that not all meds can be safely mixed with copper based ones, and that you cannot simply run carbon and do a water change to remove it. That said, you're most likely going to have to stick to copper use for now, and run another full treatment. (You may find that you have to repeat the treatment several times before all generations of the parasite have been killed). I would suggest removing the fish from that tank and placing them in a bare QT tank, giving them a full treatment to attack those that are back on their bodies, and then leaving that display tank void and lifeless for at least 2-3 months, at which point, I'd suggest doing a full tear-down cleaning and disposing of the live sand and rock, and replacing it with new before you re-stock. This will mean a complete re-cycle, yes, but as we always try to tell people - it's much easier, cheaper, and responsible to do it the right way first, and have patience, or it could all come crumbling down on you.
 
For the copper to work properly you need to keep the copper at the recommended level for at least 21 days, you can speed up the cycle by slowly raising your temp. However now with the copper in the tank the substrate and live rock will retain some of it and the addition of coral and inverts would likely result in their death.
 
hey again, thanks for all the replies... hmm its been 12 days since treated with coppersafe and my fish is looking great. active, color is back and no white dots...for now... even one of my shrimp survived... the only thing is most of the seeweed on rocks turned brown... all feather worms destroyed... slug died... and a small coral shoot died (not sure what kind)... damn the only thing looking heathly in tank is 1 1/2 ghost shrimp and bicolor goatfish.. i did 15 percent water change 7 days into treatment but fish is looking great and eating... is there any chance that the life on the rocks will come back over time?
 
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