Herichthys ID

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Brazzen1

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Hi all, this is my big guy. Please excuse the the water, I’m trying tannins, he’s been digging and one bulb went out. I’m setting him up a new 125. I’ve always thought he was a Herichthys Carpentis but after looking in my “Cichlids of Central America” he looked more like a cf. pantostictus. So hopefully you guys can help me. He’s between 10-13”, hard to get a picture. Thanks.

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Above is what was once sold as H pantostictus.
but has recently revised into H tepehua and pame
geographic catch location its very harfd to tell
Unless you have an actual location point (river, lagoon, lake, etc

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To me yours looks like one of the many H carpintus location variants, and there are many that look quite different, river to river, lagoon to lagoon
Below left one from Tamasopo river, below right a LFS strain with no known location specified
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Below H caprpintus ¨lago Chairel
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As you can see, without a catch location given, its a krapp shoot, as far as legitimate ID goes.
And with the random species hybrization these days, along with aquarists that mix location points, and allow subspecies, and locationn points to inter breed, if bought in a LFS, a generic Herichthys aquarium strain, is all one can realistically hope for.
Many aquarists see no difference between H cyannogutatus and carpintus so have been combined ad nauseum, without regard species to legitimacy.
Same has been done to Paratilapia so called Starry night cichlids, when there are at least 5 sepaeate species
Do the 2 below look to the same, yet some aquarists call them both Starry night cichlids?
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Thanks duanes, I was just going to send it to you personally LOL!! The guy I got him from said Escondido, but after all these years I just thought I’d post him on here and see what you guys think. I’m kind of dreading moving him again, it was definitely a fight. What really made me wonder was his size, I thought carpintus usually only get around 8-10”, he is definitely larger than that. As for the two paratilapia you posted, they look very different to me.
 
If escondido was listed by a trusted breeder or importer, if it were me, I´d cautiously go with that.
Escondido is a legitimate locatiion point, and looks like many I have seen, so could be...
but.....If picked up at a LFS as a trade in, well.....aquarium strain Herichthys is the best one can hope for...
But pantostictus is quite different and part of the labridens clade
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Left spawning colors, ............................................right non-spawning dress
My male carpintus laguna chairel easily hit over 10¨
 
speaking of location variants.
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Above is an Andinoacara coeruleopunctatus caught in the Rio Pacora, Central Panama
Below is the same species caught in the Rio Mamoni, less that 20 miles in eastern Panama
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Or Darienheros calobrensis from the wide open , and large large Mamoni river
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compared with the same species Darienheros, from the smaller foliage covered Plataneras, stream, only a few miles east
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