High Ph and HITH/ pitting

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IMO HITH, like the vast majority of health issues in finfish is caused by stress, which could be from water parameters, including pH. Having said that, there is a very long list of potential stressors that can take place in a glass box. pH values wouldn’t even be at the top of my list.
 
One of my pbass has lots of pitting. Food and water parameters are all good.

Have you considered the stress from attempting to spawn, in such tight quarters? Not that your tank is small, but it’s size certainly would add stress to fish that in the wild can easily escape this type of constant stress. Or, could be just one part of the equation.
 
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The one other important factor in aquarium water "soup", that contributes to things like HITH is nitrate.
For years it's been accepted that elevated nitrate is almost harmless, some even tout 40 ppm is OK.

Agreed, and IMO the problem is using the term nitrates. If aquarium test kits referred to that substance as "dissolved organic compounds" or better yet, "waste/bacteria", entry level hobbyists might pay closer attention to their nitrate levels. Again, just another potential trigger in the BIG equation. With some fish, certainly those that have been domesticated for many generations, one can get away with higher pH values compared to the wild. Some species can seemingly handle slightly elevated waste/bacteria levels, some species can fight off certain organisms always present in their lower gut such as spironucleus, some can handle the higher stress levels of various tank mates, while other species, or even individuals within a group or species, cannot. In some cases, it might just take one stressor to tip the scales.
 
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Have you considered the stress from attempting to spawn, in such tight quarters? Not that your tank is small, but it’s size certainly would add stress to fish that in the wild can easily escape this type of constant stress. Or, could be just one part of the equation.
I have thought of this. Could be I guess. BTW I had 2 oscars in another tank and one got HITH. Same thing, just pitting. I had to put it down because it affected her brain.
I've just been reading what Duanes has said about this cropping up with cichlids, notably oscars after about 4 years. And it's relation to ph.
My gut instinct is that it's my hard water. Not stress. But in reality I don't know.
 
Marketing again. Back in the day, the idea of biological filtration was a complete mystery to many or most aquarists; the term was not something that was typically heard in non-professional circles. When the UG filter was introduced, it awakened the masses to biofiltration in a way that didn't require them to really understand it in depth, and certainly didn't require them to build or design anything themselves. Open the box, drop the gizmo into your tank, complete the set-up and bang! "Never clean your aquarium again!"

By the time the aquarist came to the understanding that, yes, he/she really did need to do some work, the odds are good that he/she was advanced enough to start to understand the processes going on in the filter. They had to be explained in ways that sounded palatable rather than distasteful. I'm sure that it wasn't an easy sell to utilize the term "bacteria" when selling the idea of UG, but it was done beautifully. Similarly, the notion of these helpful little critters working tirelessly to turn the horrible "ammonia" to the less-horrible "nitrite" and finally to the relatively-benign "nitrate" needed to be sold, and that made the terminology extremely important. Now, it's not hard to make ammonia sound bad; most people have smelled it and know it's not pleasant stuff. But as the fish poo and fish pee worked its way down the nitrification scale, there needed to be a way to describe it that was more-or-less accurate, but which didn't sound too...yucky. The marketing was masterful; nitrate was in! You wanted the stuff; it meant that everything was working to plan.

Maybe the marketing was too good. Today, plenty of folks are happy with nitrate levels higher than are ever seen nature; the fact that these levels don't kill fish right away makes them easier to accept than something like ammonia that rewards laziness with dead fish right nowt. But, when we have "care guides" being written by people who have owned the fish in question for 2 months...long-term success is not on the marketing radar.
 
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I have thought of this. Could be I guess. BTW I had 2 oscars in another tank and one got HITH. Same thing, just pitting. I had to put it down because it affected her brain.
I've just been reading what Duanes has said about this cropping up with cichlids, notably oscars after about 4 years. And it's relation to ph.
My gut instinct is that it's my hard water. Not stress. But in reality I don't know.
It's a trip that fish from the same brood can react differently. One oscar is fine. One pbass fought it off and is fine.
All these fish are like my dogs. Up in the morning greeting me. Splashing wildly.
When you have fish like this you don't just give them away when one of a pair dies. You got to stick with them and take care of them. (That's me).
I will have to start a thread on this subject some day.
 
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It's a trip that fish from the same brood can react differently. One oscar is fine. One pbass fought it off and is fine.
All these fish are like my dogs. Up in the morning greeting me. Splashing wildly.
When you have fish like this you don't just give them away when one of a pair dies. You got to stick with them and take care of them. (That's me).
I will have to start a thread on this subject some day.
The dogs

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It's a trip that fish from the same brood can react differently. One oscar is fine. One pbass fought it off and is fine.

No different than humans in that regards, individual immune systems, and genetics at work.
 
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My G tapajo pair and their juveniles have HITH and my 2yr old Choco looks to be developing it too. My tap water is ph 8.2. I run a drip system so water change shouldn’t be an issue.
I’m trying to rehome my SA collection and replace with L Tanganyika.
 
The quandary for me:
1. My fish are like dogs. I dont see them as a collection. But I respect wanting to rehome.
2. What kind of water will they be rehomed in? How many people actually study water parameters such as hardness and ph?
3. I would only trust someone I know to rehome. Been there before. So many say they will rehome and they sell.
 
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