Open your eyes a little wider LP, and you'll find the world is more than responsible croc keepers going after their next exotic cat responsibly. Too many idiots in the wide world.
"Highly Desirable" to import?
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I know and i dont care. Let them die. Fact is, no permits is a solid point. Add in permits and we start to slip. If the gov could create a good permit process and leave it alone that would be great. But once the gov has thier hand in things, how long untill groups like PETA start whispering in the gov ear? Hey, they dont need exotic HOTs, they can keep NA hots.
Fact is gov can NEVER leave well enough alone. Thus my stance on permits. We have 0 permits here in PA and we do quite well.
Fact is gov can NEVER leave well enough alone. Thus my stance on permits. We have 0 permits here in PA and we do quite well.
Lepisosteus platyrhincus;4758865; said:
Maybe the pressure should be put on the SELLERS for specific permits/licensing for certain species, thus putting more pressure on them to screen out potential bad owners instead of selling an alligator to the first kid with $50 since it'd make them appear more responsible for where their animals end up to begin with?
I mean with the amount of money and effort I put into all my licensing, it certainly makes me more motivated to be careful where I send animals to so that it doesn't turn around and project me in a negative light.
Just a thought.
Lepisosteus platyrhincus;4760151; said:
And having to pay $500 or so for an alligator would be a bad thing? This coming from the guy who wants to buy a Serval?
I don't think these animals should be so cheap and easily available to the public. If a breeder were required to assure that the animal is going to a suitable home (including keeping records on where those creatures are transferred to) in the event of an incident.
No it WOULDN'T hurt the people who can/want to keep them RESPONSIBLY. ANY shelter, rescue, or organization dedicated to the WELFARE of these animals over a quick profit SHOULD be doing this to begin with. Look at online ads for these types of animals, SO MANY of them have right on their site "Not responsible for legality of this animal" I've even seen ones that will ship without really checking to see if it's legal in that state. IMO this is something that should be the sellers responsibility to check, especially since it's really not that hard to just call the F&W dept to find out.
kittyhazelton;4761679; said:
Few things....
1) what does my desire to own an african serval have to do with anything??? This statement is random and really has no place within this conversation.
2) YES it would hurt those who want to keep them responcibly. Lets take your example. It would be bad for an average, dime a dozen, run of the mill COMMON NON EXOTIC gator to cost 500. That is roughly 10x the current price for a hatchling. What do you think an exotic croc is gonna run??
Lets see!! So at 10x the price for a hatchling, that would make my smooth front(current average hatchling price is $200) cost $2000. This would price me out of the market. Im less than that much into my ENTIRE enclosure INCLUDING Claudia. Now look at my enclosure and tell me I'm an irresponcible owner. Tell me. You cant.
You say it wouldn't hurt those that want to keep them responsibly. You just completely eliminated me. Wont hurt them? IM DONE. I cant afford it.
Using the same price model that would make an average young west african dwarf croc(current average price $1,500) cost $15,000. Wow.... Just wow.
I am your average consumer. I make an average amoung of money, have a nice house, a dog, a kid. I am your average middle class consumer. You just priced me completely out of the market.
Your average ball python at a petstore cost roughly $70. Under your example they would run $700. Lets see, I can make my mortgage or I can buy a ball python.
You just priced me out of the market entirely. Your opinon on this matter is clear. You think if you dont make a ton of money you cant properly take care of an animal. We have had this discussion before and, sorry to break it to you, your wrong. Money has nothing to do with husbandry.
Just because you run a rescue, doesnt make your opinion the only one or right.
Lepisosteus platyrhincus;4764802; said:
I think she was stating that just like a gator or any other dangerous critter african servals can be dangerous too and that just like the gator you dont want a family walking in the pet store planning to buy a cat and walking out with a serval. Can turn out to be a bad situation.
In the end i would like to have to have the permits then not. No matter what people say you know there would be insadents like a mom going in to buy there son there first snake and walk out with a water moccassan not knowing any better and the kid ends up dieing. So i would rather have them there then not but i do agree when the government does get a good system going they ruin it by them keep medaling with it.
Just remember, the cost of the permits must be made up somewhere. Where do you think they are gonna make it up? YOU!!!
The gov screws up everything they touch. Keep them out of our hobby.
Hots arent easily available any way. Most of the stores dont sell them. Stores like petsmart and petco dont carry them, even if they are legal in thier area.
The gov screws up everything they touch. Keep them out of our hobby.
Hots arent easily available any way. Most of the stores dont sell them. Stores like petsmart and petco dont carry them, even if they are legal in thier area.
