Hikari vs nls pellets

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It's cool man, I just think maybe I took offense to what u said in the other thread and I don't think u meant to come off the way I perceived it.... I just said pros like variety and I got flammed, I agree with you but I just think offering flesh helps my shoal. Atleast they can use their chompers a little more efficiently and stay entertained.....

Sorry if I came of like a jerk too, you know a lot and are obviously smart....


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I can honestly say that adding variety to my fish diet has resulted in obvious increased growth rate and coloration. I would never ever feed an exclusive diet to my fish esp my breeders. Being nutritionally balanced does not mean it is the best nutrient source, same with dogs and people plants and just about any living thing.

Adding freeze dried earth worms to my female breeders resulted in larger quantaty of eggs produced. I wouldn't even stick to one balanced pellet, I use several pellets with NLS as a majority staple due to its low cost. Adding additional vitamins ,natural color enhancers , and veggies has improved already amazingly colored fish's coloration.

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A lot of what one does in this hobby depends on ones goals. Certainly there are ways to get larger/quicker gains in growth, and/or greater fecundity in female breeders - but that does not necessarily equate to healthier fish.

If ones only concern is large gains in growth, feed a generic trout chow. If one cares about the longevity & overall health of their fish, then that's not something they'll want to be doing long term, because in most species of fish kept in an aquarium it will result in fatty deposition of the liver.

A local breeder that I know that has been keeping & breeding various species of fish for the past 40 or so odd years, likes to "feed to breed", which basically is what some people refer to as power feeding. His females are larger than what one would ever see in the wild, and they produce tons of eggs/fry, but they are also generally spent within a few years from that type of growth and egg production. But his goal is to maximize egg production, maximize the growth in his fry, and maximize his sales. His goals are the same as most commercial aquaculture facilities, such as salmon farms, trout farms, tilapia farms, etc. Longevity is not a factor, maximizing growth & reproduction is the main focus of their operations, as that equates to maximizing profits.

In the wild the vast majority of fish go through seasonal swings of feast or famine, mostly borderline famine, yet in home aquariums I personally find that the vast majority of hobbyists overfeed their fish, offering them far more nutrients than what the fish can utilize without resulting in excess storage of fat. Anyone that has ever spent any time around a commercial importers operation will tell you that you will never see chubby "wild" fish arriving from SA, CA, Africa, or anywhere else on the planet. Overfeeding on a regular basis is IMO far more detrimental to the health of captive fish, than what one chooses to feed. Fish are one of the most efficient animals on the planet for converting food to flesh, and from what I see from many of the photos shared here on MFK, a LOT of hobbyists fail to understand that. It seems as though the BIGGER the "Monster" fish, the greater the praise they receive. Ironically those fish are probably having years shaved off of their natural lifespan from overcare.


As far as color, and overall health, I have yet to see a single example of any species of fish that doesn't look as good/healthy as a wild fish swimming in their native habitat, as one fed an exclusive diet of high quality pellets. Not one, including both freshwater, and marine species. I have heard this many a times over the years, from people who are actually diving, photographing, and collecting various species of wild fish in their native habitat.


Being nutritionally balanced does not mean it is the best nutrient source, same with dogs and people plants and just about any living thing.

I agree completely, which is exactly why a food manufacturer that keeps this in mind will use a "wide variety" of sources for his food. Not just amino acids (protein) from a single raw ingredient, or fatty acids from one source, or aquatic plant matter from one source. They will use numerous sources, and then top off the natural vitamins/minerals & various natural bioactive compounds found in those raw ingredients. Naturally occuring compounds that have been shown to have biological effects in fish such as growth promotion, immunostimulation, anti-stress, anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, anti-virals, and appetite stimulators. I can tell you that not many fish manufacturers understand that concept, or at least don't practice it when formulating their feeds. (because it ain't cheap!)

Having said all that, my advice has always been - they're your fish, do what you are personally most comfortable with. :)
 
Rd agreeing with most of what's has been said and your previously mentioned benefits of a good quality pellet, but I said I do use quality pellets and on a daily basis. Do you think adding alt foods in moderation to the diet could do anything but help, considering the fish is getting all the benefits of the pellet already .

To much of a good thing could be bad:)

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Rd agreeing with most of what's has been said and your previously mentioned benefits of a good quality pellet, but I said I do use quality pellets and on a daily basis. Do you think adding alt foods in moderation to the diet could do anything but help, considering the fish is getting all the benefits of the pellet already .

To much of a good thing could be bad:)

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Lol on the trout feed for gain in growth, and the breeder fiends aproach is not compareable to mine.

The other portion of my previous post


Adding freeze dried earth worms to my female breeders resulted in larger quantaty of eggs produced. I wouldn't even stick to one balanced pellet, I use several pellets with NLS as a majority staple due to its low cost. Adding additional vitamins ,natural color enhancers , and veggies has improved already amazingly colored fish's coloration.

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Sorry didn't realize I double posted when I reinserted my quote.


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I'm not talking about over feeding..... And I'm pretty sure neither is rollins, a great pellet like NLS with weekly supplements isn't going to do anything but good things imo.... I feed talapia or shrimp 1x a week on top of every other day pellets......




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Do you think adding alt foods in moderation to the diet could do anything but help, considering the fish is getting all the benefits of the pellet already .

A question that I think is pretty much impossible to answer, too many variables involved depending on exactly what, and how much is fed. Generally speaking, IME it's going to help, about as much as it's going to hurt. :)

Over the years I've tried almost every method of feeding, and type of food one can think of. Approx 10 yrs ago I took a different approach, and overall the results that I've experienced have been better than when I used to feed a smorgasbord of foods, that I felt at the time were nutritionally-wise all very good quality.

But every tank set up, and every fish is different. I've even owned species that pretty much refuse pellets in captivity, so with those fish fresh/frozen with added vitamin supplements was the only way to go.

For most species of fish kept in captivity there is no definitive wrong or right answer, as most of the ornamental species have never been studied in-depth for any of us to fully understand their nutritional needs through all of their growth stages. But the science is always improving, and there are many definitive things that we can now state with certainty, where 20-30 yrs ago no one really had a clue. As the science evolves, I try & evolve with it. I think that's the most important thing that any hobbyist can do for their fish, just as they would with filtration, lighting, heaters, etc.

I won't tell anyone what they are doing is wrong, as long as they don't attempt to tell me what I'm doing isn't right. Fair enough? :)



I'm not talking about over feeding..... And I'm pretty sure neither is rollins

That was a general comment, about hobbyists in general, and wasn't directed at you personally, or 00rollins.
 
Glad were all on the same page ^^ I do learn a lot from u man.




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