HITH + metro question (umbee related)

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I originally made a post in the health and disease section about this but got nothing other than "post a pic" which isn't possible because I don't own a camera. Keep in mind this is a copy and paste.

Almost 3 weeks ago I picked up a 5" umbee from the LFS. About a week ago I noticed one of the gills had a slight bulge like which made me think that it was possibly beginning stage if gill curl. I found this weird because I never noticed it before and I'm always looking at the fish. Today after I got home I noticed what looks to be HITH and not just beginning stage. I am completely dumbfounded because my test kit while old it is still reading 10ppm.

My filters are clean (all 3 done this month) I did a 50% WC 2 days ago and I gravel vac'd. Any idea on whats happening and what I can do to help my fish.

As of right now my fish doesn't have the typical signs of hexamita, she eats like a pig, no stringy white poop and behaves normal but the HITH is just getting worse. I'm on my third day of soaking food in epsom salt and I just bought some Metro earlier. I also did a 25% WC yesterday. According to the directions one bottle (3.4 oz.) treats 100 gallons. I have no problem doing the daily WC but a bottle a day for 5-7 days? Christ that's going to cost an arm and a leg. :cry:


Directions: (Bath) As a bath treatment use Metro+ for metronidazole-susceptible microbial diseases of marine and freshwater aquarium and pond fishes (e.g. hold-in-the-head and lateral-line erosion), use 1 capful per 10 gallons of water. Partial or complete water changes must be made prior to the beginning of treatment and every 24 hours thereafter, followed by re-treatment. Repeat the treatment ever 24 hours for 5 to 7 days or until mortalities cease or healing of lesions occurs. If improvement is not noted within three days, discontinue treatment and consider other therapy. (Oral) For systemic (internal) infections can be fed mixed with fish food. Contact Hikari, or refer to the product data sheet, for complete instructions on preparing, storing and using feed medicated with Metro+.
 
The real and true signs of HITH is pits or holes in the face and head region. Bulges from the gills is something completely different. If you fish really has HITH then just follow the instructions. It is expensive, but you must follow the instructions completely. Some fish will eat and I have never had a cichlid that had white stringy poop from HITH. I wouldn't soak food in epsom salt either. Just do the treatment and do water changes.
 
I agree with cichlidfish forget the epsom salts if its hole in the head the metro will cure it Ive had two fish with hith and both times I used metro the concentrated powder kind the second fish had it so bad I thought its eye was going to fall out but its fine now its been at least a year since its last treatment just remember follow the instructions to a T and it will be fine
 
oh one more thing it might make it easier to set up a hospital tank maybe a 30 gallon or so youll lose less metro that way too
 
HITH and hexamita, are 2 different things, only treat for hexamita if the fish has internal issues, you say yours are eating just fine. It could be anything that set it off. I had a brief go with HITH a few months ago. Water changes are the best. DO NOT use water from the H2O tank, use straight cold water from the hose. Remove all carbon, I don't use any carbon anymore in any of my filters.

Here is a link to a web page that helped me out a great deal.. Don't stress, it is fixable. And if you are going to medicate with Metronidazole, I would put the fish into a smaller home for treatment. Good luck.
http://www.worldcichlids.com/diseases/Adamhith.html
 
Thanks for the replies.

Waterchanges have done nothing to help my fish, infact her problem has only gotten significantly worse. My fishes HITH is not caused by poor water conditions (at least not from poor maintance). The tanks previous occupant had HITH for 4 years and even with me doing NO LESS than 50% WC every week it would not heal and only got worse over time. Neither of my tanks have ever had carbon in them. I also live in an apartment and have only one option on where I can get water from.

I decided to treat the main tank simply because I don't have a smaller tank (other than a 75g) that's not in use. By the time I spent the money and supplies to set up a hospital tank I would have spent around the same anyways. I did a 25% WC sunday and did my first treatment yesterday, did a 50% WC today and dosed again.

I had someone come over today and take pics so once he emails them to me I'll post them up.
 
Waterchanges have done nothing to help my fish, infact her problem has only gotten significantly worse. My fishes HITH is not caused by poor water conditions (at least not from poor maintance). The tanks previous occupant had HITH for 4 years and even with me doing NO LESS than 50% WC every week it would not heal and only got worse over time. Neither of my tanks have ever had carbon in them. I also live in an apartment and have only one option on where I can get water from.

I am just trying to help you. I can sense your frustration. I am not knocking how you do things or that your water in the tank is poor.

When you do water changes, do you add strictly cold water? Or is there even a little bit of hot water from your tank going into your aquarium? This is very important. What you tell me may be why.
 
I am just trying to help you. I can sense your frustration. I am not knocking how you do things or that your water in the tank is poor.

When you do water changes, do you add strictly cold water? Or is there even a little bit of hot water from your tank going into your aquarium? This is very important. What you tell me may be why.

This is the case most of the time, and I have been there myself.

The only two other stressors are tank mates and diet. I don't think it is tank mates, so what are your feeding it?

To me it sounds like the umbee might have gotten the HITH before you bought it. That happened to me on a salvini that I notiiced he has HITH a week after buying the fish. I did one treatment of water meds then feed the sal anti-parasite food, he is cured.
 
Thanks for the replies.

Waterchanges have done nothing to help my fish, infact her problem has only gotten significantly worse. My fishes HITH is not caused by poor water conditions (at least not from poor maintance). The tanks previous occupant had HITH for 4 years and even with me doing NO LESS than 50% WC every week it would not heal and only got worse over time. Neither of my tanks have ever had carbon in them. I also live in an apartment and have only one option on where I can get water from.

I decided to treat the main tank simply because I don't have a smaller tank (other than a 75g) that's not in use. By the time I spent the money and supplies to set up a hospital tank I would have spent around the same anyways. I did a 25% WC sunday and did my first treatment yesterday, did a 50% WC today and dosed again.

I had someone come over today and take pics so once he emails them to me I'll post them up.

Even if they don't look like they don't help, water changes do so much more than you think. Your fish has no signs of hex so I don't know why the heck you were following that thread. Keep using the metro. As for setting up a hospital tank costing the same as meds, well its better to have that tank set up for future cases. It will save you money in the long run.
 
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