I found this pair at my lfs about a month back. I completely understand the “lfs strain” label not knowing the origins or lineage. But could these be considered hrp’s or should I just consider them lfs convicts?
Honduran red points?
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Basically, we won't be able to tell you for sure what the fish are, since "common convicts" and "HRP's" are so similar. If you bought them labeled as HRP's, and it's a reasonably trustworthy store, it's fair to call them HRP's, IMO. If you bought them as convicts, I'd call them convicts.
Blue coloration of the gill plate of male does look similar to many red points I've seen. Female looks like a nice pink con female to me/
Blue coloration of the gill plate of male does look similar to many red points I've seen. Female looks like a nice pink con female to me/
Thanks guys. Yea my lfs didn’t even know what red points were when I asked about them in tank. So definitely no confirmation from the store...it would be nice to have lineage because they’re about to lay their third batch of eggs in the month that I’ve had them. I’m sure it’d be a lot easier to get rid of them if they were legit hrp’s.
Here are some HRPs to compare
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female below
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In this case, I would not be selling them as HRP's. To do so, would be irresponsible, as someone might buy to breed ot their real HRP's, and end up with watered-down genes. And that's how hybrids ruin the genepools of pure fish in the hobby. Not saying you've done this, and you might be aware already... just a general heads up.
For years, many of striped cichlids of the genus Amatitlania were just called convicts, so many different species were thrown together, and being close cousins easily, and unknowingly hybridized, producing what now after decades the average aquarium strain convicts (many most likely hybrids).
It has been only recently been realized that Amatitlania kanna is a different species from siquia or nigrofasciatus., and the use of the common term convict for all is problematic.
Just like many Herichthys are generically called Texas cichlids and many Amphilophines called simply Red Devils (all to me problematic, if serious about cichlids).
So responsible cichlid people have now avoided mixing them up, providing them with proper scientific names, and/or catch locations to keep species pure, and avoid mutt creation.
Here in Panama, and Costa Rica (where many Amatitlania are endemic) almost all cichlids (with the exception, of Parachromis,(guapotes) and Tomocichla (Mogas) are called Chogorros, in some places, and/or on other ares, Sargentos.
But this generic grouping also includes (in other local lingo) in some areas the salt water species Sargeant Major, which is considered a Chogorro.
So you can see how some local collectors might have inadvertently simply mixed them all up.
It has been only recently been realized that Amatitlania kanna is a different species from siquia or nigrofasciatus., and the use of the common term convict for all is problematic.
Just like many Herichthys are generically called Texas cichlids and many Amphilophines called simply Red Devils (all to me problematic, if serious about cichlids).
So responsible cichlid people have now avoided mixing them up, providing them with proper scientific names, and/or catch locations to keep species pure, and avoid mutt creation.
Here in Panama, and Costa Rica (where many Amatitlania are endemic) almost all cichlids (with the exception, of Parachromis,(guapotes) and Tomocichla (Mogas) are called Chogorros, in some places, and/or on other ares, Sargentos.
But this generic grouping also includes (in other local lingo) in some areas the salt water species Sargeant Major, which is considered a Chogorro.
So you can see how some local collectors might have inadvertently simply mixed them all up.
No, I wouldn’t sell them with no point of origin. I completely agree with your logic. I’m raising the first batch of fry just for the fun of it, and will probably donate to my lfs (as convicts)...The subsequent batches will just be fish food until I separate the pair.
Do you see the hobby ever being able to correct this hybrid problem? Or is everything so readily available to the common hobbyist that it will only get worse? It seems that the number of people who don’t really care about this effect far outweigh the ones that do.