HOT lizards compared to HOT snakes
- Thread starter Etunes
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Hot simply means it's a venomous animal, it's not short for anything just hot... as in a hot stove is dangerous... hot snakes are dangerous.... some people refer to snakes that aren't really deadly but still venomous as "warm"
Your best bet is to find a venomous keeper or breeder and do your hours with him or her. I am currently working with Diamond Reptiles Breeders for my permit and have done a few hours with Travis from the CARE foundation as well
Your best bet is to find a venomous keeper or breeder and do your hours with him or her. I am currently working with Diamond Reptiles Breeders for my permit and have done a few hours with Travis from the CARE foundation as well
@ Sylvias the 1000 hours per clade of venomous has not taken effect yet has it? I thought it was still being talked about and that you only need 1000 hours for all venomous. It was that way when I got my permit and I guess I am covered for everything either way now.
Vicious_Fish;4469144; said:
Yeah you can get just about anything in pennsylvania. I went to the white plains new york show a few years ago and thought it was awesome. Then i went to the Hamburg Pa show and havent gone to white plains since. I was amazed when i walked through the door and saw that you can just buy diamondback rattlesnakes on a whim and the vendors dont even ask the people who buy them any questions. Its like they sold a lepoard gecko.
Etunes;4469206; said:
I don't know, I'm kind of torn on that one.
Joe M;4469362; said:
Yep. I was at Hamburg last month and I could have walked out of there with a 4+ foot Western Diamondback for $50 bucks.
snakeguy101;4469232; said:
Thats what I was always told... Ever since I started lookin into venomous 3 years ago that is what I have heard from people who got their permits here... Maybe it's not set in stone but still a good idea lol
But like right now I work with just about all venomous families at Mitch's place and he would sign off for each family even though I am focusing strongly on elapids.
i officially hate you.Vicious_Fish;4469072; said:Hee hee. I can just walk into a reptile show up here and walk out with a Gila Monster.
the system in texas is in need of changes. $20 with no triaining gets you a permit that covers any non-native hots, the big pythons, (retics, afrocks, burms, etc) and green anacondas for recreational purposes.
to breed/sell them it's $60.
it's both good and bad because those of us who would take good care of them can get them with no problem, but people who are gonna get them prohibited are also given easy access.
lucky for us, there's not too may people (at least not in my area) that want a hot just to show off.
Sylvias;4469409; said:
here is what the permit application states:
"Provide documentation of a minimum of 1 year experience (to consist of no less than 1000 hrs.) within the family(s) of reptiles, for which the permit is
requested. Include a description of the specific experience, dates, and location(s) where it was acquired. Include no less than 2 reference letters from
individuals having personal knowledge of your stated experience. "
I don't know for sure but I think that this means that as long as you have worked with that genus within your 1000 hours then you are set. Once you have the permit though I know that you can use it to obtain any species and when you submit the inventory form once a year they do not ask you to clarify which ones your permit is supposedly for. I probably did not have 1000 hours working with cobras or arboreal vipers when I got the permit since most of my training was with native hots in the field and yet they did not seem to care when I told them I was getting eyelash vipers and monocled cobras. The system is not enforced at all once you get the permit (which I am fine with) because they do not keep up with inspections they do not inquire about what species (with the exception of a survey once a year) you keep and they do not ask for proof of purchase for newly acquired hot snakes- all of which is "supposed" to be done.
Interesting. Is Florida the toughest state when it comes to permits for keeping venomous reptiles? I haven't done too much research but as far as I know the two states that I live back and forth in (Colorado and Arizona) do not require a permit to keep venomous. I do know however that it's illegal to keep Gilas in Arizona due to their protected native status in the state, which is dissapointing but I'm currently a college student in a situation where I couldn't properly provide for one anyway so I'm not too worried about it just yet. The only two venomous reptiles I'd have interest in keeping would be a gila monster and a cottonmouth, so hopefully wherever I end up after school will allow me to do so - after proper training, of course.
The only hots I want would be a copperhead and a monocled cobra but I have no idea what NY state laws are. And it sounds like i have to visit the hamburg show =]
